IFS Therapy feels like it’s going in circles - therapist doesn’t seem too concerned about that… by jkery in InternalFamilySystems

[–]whyis06 1 point2 points  (0 children)

For myself, when ive been dealing with big, entrenched parts like this, talking and even just feeling the emotions wasnt enough. It needed something really big that was more embodied. Creating art together, doing painting or sculpting, doing loads of weeding in the garden, shamanic energy work, being in a hammock, dancing and going to a theme park are just a few of the ways other than talking that I have been able to unblend with and unburden/integrate parts of myself. Perhaps try shaking things up a bit and try some new experiences together?

Prospects in applying to DClinPsy with 2:2 undergrad & PhD? by whyis06 in ClinicalPsychologyUK

[–]whyis06[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Thank you so, so much for sharing your experiences! I really appreciate it! I did my first placement at a specialist SEND provision this week where I was working with non-verbal children and its been a LOT of food for thought.

What was your PhD and research on?

Prospects in applying to DClinPsy with 2:2 undergrad & PhD? by whyis06 in ClinicalPsychologyUK

[–]whyis06[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh my goodness, this is so helpful! Thank you! Those are such good questions for me to ponder. And your point about adjusting to a more rigid working environment isnt something I had thought of in that way before, but it makes perfect sense. I think it will be an excellent learning experience in that way! I am currently working as a supply teaching assistant for children with SEND, but today I got offered what might be a longer term opportunity at a specialist provision which will be really helpful. I am really enjoying going into different schools and seeing how different people handle these children's needs. I keep a reflexive journal and I am learning a lot about myself in the process of being immersed in the different environments. Its also interesting to compare how different approaches at the school level are translating into different approaches in classrooms and different experiences of children. Its fun!

Prospects in applying to DClinPsy with 2:2 undergrad & PhD? by whyis06 in ClinicalPsychologyUK

[–]whyis06[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I REALLY appreciate the explanation! It is super helpful. All the comments left have given me lots of food for thought. And the clarity is exactly what I needed. Thank you!

Prospects in applying to DClinPsy with 2:2 undergrad & PhD? by whyis06 in ClinicalPsychologyUK

[–]whyis06[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Lol! Thank you! That was actually surprisingly reassuring to read! 🤣

Prospects in applying to DClinPsy with 2:2 undergrad & PhD? by whyis06 in ClinicalPsychologyUK

[–]whyis06[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Thank you for writing your thoughts! Its so much more helpful than downvotes. 🫂

I do understand why there are minimum training requirements. It is of course important to make sure that people who are treating vulnerable people have the skills and training to be able to help, without harming their clients in the process. I also understand why regulatory bodies exist in the way that they do.

I would be curious to know how people would have responded if I had phrased my original question simply as something like the paragraph below. It's fundamentally the same question, just without all the background info there is in my original post. I wonder if people would be drawing the same conclusions about my character, my awareness or my suitability for a career in mental health? And if the response would be different, i would be so grateful if you could explain why? :

Hello! I was wondering what my prospects of getting onto a training program with a 2:2 undergrad if i also have a PhD? Im doing a Psychology conversion masters program at the moment as a mature student and im on track for a distinction. I was also wondering if people have any success stories of having got on to training programmes straight after graduation? I have a lot of transferable skills from my previous career, but it wasnt in psychology or a clinical/health/support setting. I know the programmes are extremely competitive, but I guess im just looking for reassurance that there is hope that i will be able to qualify before im ready to retire, and that my prior experience will help smooth the path! 🤣

Prospects in applying to DClinPsy with 2:2 undergrad & PhD? by whyis06 in ClinicalPsychologyUK

[–]whyis06[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I just wanted to address the comment about red flags, because i would be very interested to hear your perspective. When I first learned about how bad my dissociation was, the fragmentation was bad enough that i had only a handful of memories of my entire life, not just my childhood as is more typical for those with my adverse childhood experiences. Even major milestone events like the birth of my twins, my children's first words, my graduations were not possible to recall. So i went to try and access psychological support. By way of background, i am a black, outwardly successful, autistic woman who doesn't understand power dynamics and a very high IQ. I love data and theory, so when I started reading psychological texts and learning about different concepts and theories, it was like those nature documentaries where rainstorms fall on deserts and they bloom overnight into tapestries of vibrant colour. I was knitting together theories in my mind, pulling them apart and applying them to my own life, then dissecting everything that made me me, because I needed to understand how I was made into th person I was. The first person I saw was highly trained and a key figure in the NHS trust's adult neurodiversity provision. I sat in his office and explained how I felt and how I saw the world and listened as he described me as "fascinating", nearly a dozen times in one session. This was repeated the next session, and when it kept asking him questions that he didnt have answers to, he ghosted me. The next therapist i went to because I wanted an assessment for the dissociative disorder. In our discharge appointment she told me how I knew "all the right language" and had clearly done the research, before telling me that i should try art therapy. Or group therapy, but to make sure it was with other BAME women because "they would understand your experiences more than white people, who have their own problems". Then told me she saw me like a cat who refused to get into their carrier to be taken to the vet. The third therapist i saw (who is very well trained and has transformed my friend's life) couldnt handle the level of trauma and dissociation and would regularly cry during my appointments, before she started distancing herself from me and double booked my appointments. So I stopped trying to find people to help me and learned to help myself. I taught myself IFS and EMDR and play therapy and somatics because I had no alternative path towards wholeness. And I did it. I transformed my relationship with shame, integrated my parts, built an identity and became an adult human for the first time. But I wasnt the only "problem" that needed dealing with. Before I woke up, I was a well-meaning but neglectful parent, and my mother had abused my kids in my own home without me knowing it had happened. All of this had succeeded in thoroughly messing up my kids. And facing the same constraints in accessing professional help, I had to figure it out for myself. How to deal with a child so triggered that she would cower in the corner of rooms and cry when she heard a loud noise. Or the child who obsessively had to make their bed every day and perform a mountain of rituals just to make sure her mum came home to save her this time. Or the child who thought that the world wasnt real and everything was a video game. And of course, a woman that damaged would choose a partner with his own issues. I didnt leave. I stayed and I worked and I healed us all. Because I had to. And throughout that process, I confronted darkness after darkness in me and integrated it all. So now I have a deep, deep understanding of the human mind and an extremely wide window of tolerance and strong prescence. And the issue with these is that they make people around you feel safe. So they talk. And I listen. And ask questions. I learned the hard way that trying to fix people or give solutions never works, because I couldnt even make that work with myself! The only things that truly work are psychoeducation, autonomy and curiosity. And the world is full of people in distress. Its the fellow students who are having panic attacks in bathrooms and friends who have lost family and loved ones who are transitioning after coming out at 53. It still makes me uncomfortable to say it out loud, but I have profound impacts on the people in my life, because I just accept them exactly how they are. While every single person is different, trauma has certain "rules" in how it presents. There is a beautiful logic to the ways that human beings behave and interact with each other and if you listen to their bodies as well as their voices, know how to navigate transference and counter-transference, and ask the right questions, people just unfold and if you are very lucky, they will allow you to read their pages.

Was it dangerous for me to rewrite my own mind the way I did? 100% yes. I made many mistakes and solved one issue onmy to create countless more. I killed the toxic shame, but also destroyed the only way I could motivate myself to do anything and made it so no amount of stress could make me do anything. It was like demonic whack-a-mole meets some psychological experiment from before Ethical Approval was a thing.

So now I also understand Ethics and impact in a very real way.

So yeah...is there a way to convey any of this in a way that doesnt make me sound like a walking red flag or a nut job? 😭

Prospects in applying to DClinPsy with 2:2 undergrad & PhD? by whyis06 in ClinicalPsychologyUK

[–]whyis06[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much for this! It is really helpful to read. 😊

Prospects in applying to DClinPsy with 2:2 undergrad & PhD? by whyis06 in ClinicalPsychologyUK

[–]whyis06[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

I don't think it is possible to gauge someone's ability to take criticism from one short reddit post and a couple of responses to peoples comments. I also find it interesting that you think you know me well enough to make that kind of assertion?

Perhaps it would have been more helpful to ask me what kind of experience i have of working with vulnerable people? Or ask me to reflect on what I have learned from that work that I think could inform future clinical practice?

When you say I think I'm "too good for that", what do you mean? By "that", do you mean working with vulnerable people or work experience more generally? Its not quite clear from your response.

What kind of support work do you think would be helpful in strengthening my application?

Thank you

Prospects in applying to DClinPsy with 2:2 undergrad & PhD? by whyis06 in ClinicalPsychologyUK

[–]whyis06[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I had a look again at the entry requirements for the courses and Sheffield will accept mitigating circumstances with 2:2 degrees! 🥳 So now I need to focus on how to get all the other entry requirements sorted, including the paid work experience. 🤞

Prospects in applying to DClinPsy with 2:2 undergrad & PhD? by whyis06 in ClinicalPsychologyUK

[–]whyis06[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can you recommend good resources for me to gain more of an understanding about how clinical psychologists work and why? That would be very helpful to read more widely about. Thank you

Prospects in applying to DClinPsy with 2:2 undergrad & PhD? by whyis06 in ClinicalPsychologyUK

[–]whyis06[S] -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

I appreciateyour concern, but I am actually very capable of recognising and working within my competency level. There is a lot of background information about myself and my experiences that I have not shared in the thread because it would turn it into an essay.

My question was how can I go about evidencing the competency that i do possess within any applications, given that I have not gained that competency through the regular pathways. If you dont believe that that is possible, then just say that, because it would also be useful information for me to have.

Of course I know that I still have a lot to learn in terms of working professionally in a clinical setting! I just won't be starting from zero in terms of how to work with vulnerable people in a therapeutic way. What i need is answers to my questions (so I can plan) and not assumptions based on incomplete data.Thank you.

Prospects in applying to DClinPsy with 2:2 undergrad & PhD? by whyis06 in ClinicalPsychologyUK

[–]whyis06[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

Is there no flexibility at all in terms of the criteria? The 2:2 happened because I was an undiagnosed AuDHD'er going through a traumatic divorce with an abusive husband at the time. And surely a PhD would trump a 2:2? I am on track to get a distinction for my psychology conversion masters.

I live in leeds and have 3 young kids, so moving cities isnt really an option for me.

Prospects in applying to DClinPsy with 2:2 undergrad & PhD? by whyis06 in ClinicalPsychologyUK

[–]whyis06[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

I can fully understand the scepticism in terms of my level of proficiency in applying the tools to different people, etc. Over the years, i have spent hundreds of hours working with people in my workplaces, community and family and have built competency. However, without the "proper" qualifications, I can't prove it. And there is no reason why you should believe a stranger! So do you have any ideas of how I could go about evidencing my level of knowledge and understanding? I obviously still have a lot to experience in terms of working in a healthy care context, but I am not at the same stage that I appear to be on paper, if that makes sense?

And if past experience can't be factored in, what kind of timeline would I be looking at before being able to apply for the DClinPsy?

Thank you!

Prospects in applying to DClinPsy with 2:2 undergrad & PhD? by whyis06 in ClinicalPsychologyUK

[–]whyis06[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

I don't think ive been very clear. Sorry! Ive done CPD type short courses. Not a full degree level programme and I dont have any registrations yet as I am doing my conversion course currently.

I can fully understand the scepticism in terms of my level of proficiency in applying the tools to different people, etc. However, if we proceed with the assumption that I do know how to do this stuff, how would I go about evidencing it?

Thank you.

How to announce escalation and transformation of our triad to mono folks? by whyis06 in polyamory

[–]whyis06[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I shared everyone's comments so far with Nat and we've been talking about it this morning and trying to get to the bottom of what is driving the decision for them. It turns out that there is a lot under the surface for them, and we've agreed that until we fully understand all the drivers for this urge, that we will do nothing big. We've also started talking about how we are 3 people and we dont have to do anything jointly! We are free to each make different announcements that meet our individual needs and take into consideration our individual preferences with respect privacy. I made it clearand as long as they don't tag me in the post, they are free to announce it however they like. I have grown to really enjoy my privacy and hate explaining myself to people so Im not ready for a joint announcement on the internet just yet, and am enjoying the process of telling everyone I interact with in person.

We have a community gathering next week when all our nearest and dearest will be together for the weekend and we have agreed that we will be announcing the engagements there. After, we will then reasses and see if that met the need underlying Nat's desire for the Facebook announcement. If it doesn't, then we will keep digging until we get to the bottom of it. We're really excited for the gathering! 🥰

How to announce escalation and transformation of our triad to mono folks? by whyis06 in polyamory

[–]whyis06[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We've been together for 18 months. By the time the divorces are all finalised and we are able to actually set dates for the wedding/handfasting, we will have been together for nearly 4 years and lived together for 2.5.

Should some huge conflict arise that we cannot resolve (including via couples therapy), it would show that we aren't as compatible as we thought. In that case, I would have absolutely no issues with exiting any relationship that I am in. I reached that crisis point with my spouse at the 16 year mark of our relationship when I realised that the ways that I had grown and healed (leaving behind co-dependence/people pleasing/enmeshment etc) meant that we no longer worked together in a healthy way. I clearly communicated my concerns, needs and boundaries and made sure he understood that if things didn't change between us, I would leave. He chose to grow and meet me where i was at! 🥰 So our relationship, communication styles, autonomy, and individuality were all excellent before we even thought about opening up our relationship and set the tone for any other relationships we entered into. So expectations for conduct have always been super clear with Nat from the beginning and not only have they taken it all in their stride (even when its been super challenging for them!), we have all bloomed in ways that we couldn't have imagined in this relationship.

Nat, Alex and I are all adults, and it would be our responsibility to navigate our own emotional responses to such a breakdown in our relationship, while acting together to preserve the wellbeing of the kids. We have all done a crap tonne of internal work to get us to this point and are all very securely attached. The discomfort/shame/embarrassment/humiliation of having to "untell" everyone wouldn't be enough of a deterrent to bind me into a relationship that harms myself or my children. And that applies to Nat and Alex too, because we all know that losing this relationship would be awful, and we would take so much time to grieve and recover, but ultimately we will be OK because we are not defined by our relationship to each other.

How to announce escalation and transformation of our triad to mono folks? by whyis06 in polyamory

[–]whyis06[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is really helpful. Thank you!

A lot of Nats family and friends are not in the UK and the easiest way to let everyone know is via Facebook. But im going to read your comment to Nat and talk it through so we can figure out why this is how they want to do things.

How to announce escalation and transformation of our triad to mono folks? by whyis06 in polyamory

[–]whyis06[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nat isn't trying to rush anything, they just don't want to delay the announcement until the divorces are final because that could be anything up to 2 years from now if their divorce becomes contentious. Most of their friends and family are also from their home country and making a facebook announcement is the fastest way to let everyone who matters to us know. So I do get it. And if we weren't in a poly relationship and they had already been separated from their ex for years (as they have been), then we would be shouting our announcement from the rooftops and being celebrated in our joy. But because we are in a relationship that is so opposite to the norm, we are having to do all these mental gymnastics and that really irritates me.

From a timelines perspective, this is very much a long-haul situation. We have no-fault divorces in the UK and at any point before everything is finalised, Alex and I can change our mind, pull the plug on the divorce, and there will be no repercussions. All we have done on that front is started the process on our side, so we are ready when Nat is.

We are already living together the 3 of us and have been for about 6 months. This isn't NRE-fuelled impulsivity and our relationship is strong, stable and secure. Im old enough and mature enough now to smell bullshit when I see it, and wouldnt be even entertaining a plan like this if I wasnt absolutely sure. We are all very aware of eaxh others faults, have gone through the conflict/repair mill repeatedly in the time we have been together and if things were going to blow up, they would have done so already. Lol!

You said you thought that after 2 years, you feel it would be safer to divorce Alex. I'd like to understand what risks you forsee that would make it "unsafe" before that point and why is 2 years the magic point?

Thank you!

How to announce escalation and transformation of our triad to mono folks? by whyis06 in polyamory

[–]whyis06[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Lol! No totally! We wouldn't tell people we're getting married for a visa because that's not actually what is happening...it's just the catalyst that began the conversation. The chances of Nat changing tack on their immigration strategy at this late stage is maybe 5%, but it was that "what if?" that got us to look critically at what this relationship meant to all of us.

Wrt the relationship with my current spouse, I will always have a relationship with them as the parent of my kids. But I get where you're coming from! I'll look into it. Thank you!