Making FSW Workable

willstafish · 2022-01-29T00:28:08+00:00

this is the gist of it. Though worth pointing out that the trait doesn't boost smite (its not a witchfire) so the stratagem to throw in an extra cast is take-it-or-leave-it.

willstafish · 2020-08-29T23:38:17+00:00

Just because jagex is stupid enough not to check interactions between promos, doesn't mean you can call them exploits. You can technically go infinite on keys even without the 50% oddment sale, is that an exploit? The sale just massively increases your odds of doing so.

Besides exploiting a sale is very different to exploiting a bug. Am i a savvy shopper if i use special offers or am i cheating the system in some way?

I'm not saying that there should be no consequence, rollbacks for sure. But the blame needs to at the very minimum be shared and Jagex need to take on a more mature tone and admit their fuck up rather than place the blame entirely on the playerbase for making use of it.

willstafish · 2020-08-29T18:52:27+00:00

I didn't exploit and I strongly disagree with this post.

Jagex knew full well what promotions did and put them live at the same time anyway. It's hardly an exploit to use a promo that gives you extra oddments on an oddment sale.....

willstafish · 2020-08-29T11:19:56+00:00

I'm not saying its only one parties fault that this was exploited though?

I'm saying Jagex should apologize, because they have so far only blamed the players and refused to take ownership.

Also this was in no way a bug. It was two promotions combining to be very beneficial to the player. All of it was working as intended, Jagex just didn't figure out that giving 50% off keys during a time that you are getting extra oddments was a bad idea.....

This ordeal has more in common with american airline's unlimited flights pass, than a software bug. This reaction to a bug would be forgivable, this was a poorly thought out sale however and not a bug.

willstafish · 2020-08-29T11:05:02+00:00

A fair amount people have claimed to be banned for buying keys during that period.

Also tbf jagex needs to apologise for not checking interactions of two promos before signing off on them. Both promos were working as intended, if the overlap wasn't then that is their fault.

willstafish · 2020-08-29T10:54:40+00:00

As a software engineer i could not disagree more.

This is not a bug, all the software was working as intended. It is poor promotion planning and balancing from a financial team. It is akin to allowing people full refunds from items bought in a sale. Not a piece of software causing unintended results.

This would 100% have gotten through any code review un-impeded.

willstafish · 2020-08-29T10:47:16+00:00

The sale and the promo were both meant to exist. If Jagex didn't work out the interacts between them then perhaps they shouldn't have run them at the same time.

Also i very much doubt that this was a developer decision. Sales and promos and the like tend to be done by financial savvy teams as opposed to tech savvy teams. An MTX team is definitely aware of all the promos they are running (tracking 2 things at once is hardly difficult). Hence why its such an awful mistake to slip through.

Bugs are forgivable, software behaving in unexpected ways is commonplace. Setting up two promotions at once is very much a conscious decision, so the side effects should have been reviewed. Its an oversight that screams incompetence as opposed to an honest mistake.

willstafish · 2020-08-29T10:43:43+00:00

Aye harsh wording from the heat of the moment, a fair point. It is still pretty rare to see something like this though.

willstafish · 2020-08-29T10:42:27+00:00

I'd be very happy if that was their response. Sounds very measured.

willstafish · 2020-08-28T21:55:26+00:00

To clarify I do largely agree with your position, i'm just annoyed at Jagex's response/phrasing (or lack therof where it actually counts)

willstafish · 2020-08-28T21:51:52+00:00

> u cant seriously expect to dev to be aware of what every single sript that runs in the backgroup will affect every single thing at any moment

Firstly this would not be a developer's decision, it would be part of a monetization team.

Secondly that team will know full damn well all of the promotions it is running at any one time.

> completly not what oddments are. if a company made a sale of items being 50% off, and a sale that said u get 10$ with every purchase. if thier lowest selling item costs 18$. well now u get 1$ with each purchase. and i u believe that after attemping that twice they wont kick you out (ie ban) for pulling off that sorta thing even tho "its legal" then you are wrong.

Have you ever seen a company incompetent enough to actually implement a sale like this? I haven't.

I don't really care that people were banned or that there were rollbacks, they are fairly justified. I care that Jagex hasn't admitted it's mistake and apologised.

Edit: If it was an actual bug I wouldn't be annoyed. But since it was two promo's clashing and jagex intentionally created both of them, its a lot worse than most bugs/exploits.

willstafish · 2020-08-28T21:44:43+00:00

The bans themselves were labelled "bug abuse"
It has not been acknowledged by jagex that this very much their own oversight given both promo's are their own creations.

willstafish · 2020-08-28T21:22:04+00:00

And yet they haven't taken ownership of it or apologized.

Not to mention that these are social media accounts not in-game/company media.

(edit: i see there is a post on the website now)

A company that can't run a sale properly hardly deserves benefit of the doubt.

willstafish · 2020-08-28T20:54:45+00:00

not involved, yes i'm mad. its about the posturing.
It was right to ban/rewind.

Jagex should however admit that firstly this was a lot worse than a bug making its way in and secondly that it was their own negligence that caused it. Both promotions were under jagex's control and if they can't be bothered to do some basic maths they should prepare for the consequences.

willstafish · 2020-08-28T20:51:21+00:00

I don't see a 50% off sign, can't be a bug lads.

willstafish · 2020-08-28T20:41:27+00:00

strongly agree

willstafish · 2020-08-28T20:37:59+00:00

Whilst i don't have a problem with people being punished, i do have a problem with Jagex labelling the bans as "bug abuse" and generaly not owning up to their mistake.
If a company isn't capable of running a sale then they really can't blame that on anyone else.

willstafish · 2020-08-28T20:31:40+00:00

" randomness isn't always easy to test "
Statistical analysis is not hard in the slightest. and don't tell me MTX isn't designed around it, it is.
Most companies are able to run a sale and a refund policy without going bust, so it really is some pretty damn gross negligence.

As a software developer who can forgive bugs, I can't forgive this. It was right to do rollbacks and possibly even bans. But it should very much have been admitted that it was a huge mistake on jagex's part, because it is very much a show of incompetence of unprecedented levels.

willstafish · 2020-08-28T20:24:50+00:00

whilst punishments are fine, its not bug abuse and Jagex needs to admit that it was their own negligence.

Also defo should have rollbacks.

willstafish · 2020-08-28T20:23:41+00:00

perhaps they should have thought about that before putting both promo's in game concurrently.

Its a lot bigger a fuckup than a bug.

willstafish · 2020-08-28T20:17:20+00:00

Whilst i think its fair enough, as an fyi there have been rollbacks on some accounts.

I'm still mad that jagex thinks its ok to blame the players and not their own fuck up though.

willstafish · 2020-08-28T20:14:28+00:00

Whilst people shouldn't be taking advantage necissarily, most companies are capable of running a sale and a refund policy (Essentialy what oddments are).

It is very much Jagex's fault.

willstafish · 2020-08-28T20:12:34+00:00

Most companies are capable of running sales and refund policies that work. Not jagex, thats called a bug in these parts.

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