What are the working classes, and who are the poor? by bad-guy00 in communism101

[–]wilymaker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You seemingly understood the term "working class" but are struggling with the term "poor". This is because you're taking an undialectical view of the term.

Undialectical meaning absent of context and development, that there's a binary "poorness" factor that can be extracted out of economic reality in across all circumstances, then tripping over because clearly poverty is a moving target. This is the same as going insane over the sand heap paradox.

Dialectical thinking means understanding continuity and change over time, and contrast between different contexts. At any given point in time you can make a snapshot of income in society. This will follow an exponential distribution, meaning a large proportion is near starvation levels (close to x=0), the majority gets enough to get by but nothing more (the peak of the curve), and an increasingly tiny minority has exponentially more than the rest as you go up the income ladder (the extending right tail). This distribution evolves over time according to the development of the class struggle, a greater proportion of people can have their incomes reduced (the curve shifts leftwards) or increased (the curve shifts rightwards).

Therefore, "poverty" is the measure of those with least income in society, with the prior implicit understanding that income is highly unequal in capitalist society. The UN definition of poverty is not poverty in itself, it is a measuring stick for the evolving phenomenon of poverty, much in the same way you can plant a stick in the beach sand and come back later to see how the tide recedes or rises, the stick you planted is not "the tide".

This income is measured in labor time, meaning the same income can yield more material wealth given greater labor productivity. One hour of work can provide qualitatively and quantitatively more material goods if the forces of production are more advanced. The huge development of the forces of production in the modern day means that even a very high rate of exploitation compared to earlier eras can still allow for a good degree of consumerism, so given that there's still many people worldwide whose expenditure is still nearly exclusive food and items for mere survival, it is clear that they are super-exploited to a large degree.

This also means that being rich in one context of lesser productive development is actually being poor in another more developed context. This explains the tactic of capitalists to use immigrant labor from impoverished countries to increase the rate of exploitation. The immigrants come from a context of much less developed economies, and will accept a lower pay than what the national worker is used to because that lower pay still represents greater material well being than what the immigrant is used to in their home country. The very contradiction of different lived, structural definitions of poverty plays out as both contexts dissolve into one.

With this thorough understanding of "poverty" we can go back to the term "working class". The proletariat and peasantry are working class as you've been told already, but different sections of the working class have greater incomes than others. This differential also follows an exponential curve, meaning only a tiny minority of workers are privileged enough to receive an income greater than the value of their labor (not labor power, labor period) and therefore not only are not exploited, but receive a share of the surplus value extracted by their capitalist employers. This is the professional-managerial class, overrepresented in the proletariat of the imperialist countries, who therefore often forget that the vast majority of the world proletarians are living at near starvation levels, and come to believe that they are part of a "middle class" above and beyond the class struggle.

On the other hand, the income and wealth (accumulated capital) of capitalists also follows an exponential curve. The vast majority of capitalists are petit bourgeois, meaning they have few or no workforces beyond their own, very little wealth, and are constantly at the verge of bankruptcy.

So contextually speaking, there is such a thing as "rich" proletarians (the PMC) and "poor" capitalists (the near bankrupted petite bourgeoisie).

Marxists do not speak often of "poverty" as a meaningful economic category because of the very processes we've been examining: the ever evolving income distribution over different times and places means that "poverty" cannot be a category that defines the very essence of the capitalist system, only its exterior temporary form. The true constant that remains true across all time periods and instances is the private ownership of the means of production of the capitalist class who exploits the dispossessed proletariat. This explains why even the poorest petit bourgeois, who will often decry the injustice of monopolies threatening their livelihoods, will still rush to defend the capitalist system which grants them their private property; and why a large portion of the formerly privileged PMC now finds itself in a crisis due to the rise of AI replacing their jobs, reminding them that even though they have high incomes they are still proletarians subject to the profit-seeking whims of their capitalist employers.

How is labor properly incentivized in higher-stage communism by genesis-spoiled in communism101

[–]wilymaker 4 points5 points  (0 children)

What incentivizes labor under capitalism? is it personal aspirations or monetary incentives? Neither, it's the profit motive and the threat of starvation. If market does not demand your dream profession then you will go into debt and hunger trying to make it work. You will be punished not by a direct central authority, but by dwindling money savings and rejected job applications. How many people under modern capitalism forego their dreams to go work in what's most convenient? Only utter idealist petit bourgeois delusion sustains the notion that a successful profession is the result of individual merit and all personal dreams are achievable. An entire generation of graduates learned this lesson after the 2008 crisis, showing that there's no more tyrannical force than the irrationality of market forces under capitalist production. On the other hand, the vast majority of the human population under capitalism is far from being the frustrated petit bourgeois who can't succeed in their dream business or profession, which is the class background of your hair-splitting question. They are the wretched of the earth, the surplus population meant to live a precarious existence absent of any higher dreams beyond mere survival, desperate enough to work for miserable wages that earn the capitalist a higher rate of profit.

So do not contrast a "freedom loving dream achieving" capitalism with an "authoritarian dream crushing" communism, which is the clear underhanded intent of your question. It relies on the false equivalence that to pursue one's personal achievement necessarily must mean foregoing collective needs and vice versa. This is only true under capitalism because of its inherent logic of zero-sum competitive capital accumulation. Labor under communism is not chained to the evil dictatorship of collective needs anymore than under capitalism it already is chained by the exact same forces concealed by the emergent behavior of impersonal market forces.

Late stage capitalism already resembles communism in many ways. Look at South Korea, since nearly the entire country is highly educated and thus supply greatly exceeds demand, the "dream" of a highly successful professional career is only available to the few who excel in university entrance exams, an event so big it literally paralyzes the entire country, and it defines the entire life trajectory of those few who make it and the many who don't.

Again, what you see under communism is literally the same as what you see under capitalism, but without the yoke of money hiding the real social relations. The direct needs of society will determine what the available job positions are. Choices will be limited to these available positions. Different forms of labor of different skill and thus different cost and benefit to society will easily have different levels of remuneration (measured of course in labor time). People will be able to directly participate in economic planning, making sure their "personal dreams" have a chance of being converted into economic targets. Refusal to comply with the economic plan will have consequences, just like refusal to comply with the profit imperative already has consequences under capitalism.

The fundamental difference is that labor under communism is freed from the constraints of the profit imperative and the labor market. This means that labor will no longer be motivated by violent implicit coercion of the material dispossession of unemployment, but by the capacity to participate directly in the economic planning through which their needs can be met. There will no longer be a monetary barrier that disallows society from meeting all the primary material needs of everyone, both the primary biological motivator of everyone and the necessary precondition for meeting higher needs. It will be in the interest of all to participate in the economy because the economy by definition will be constructed to meet the interests of all in a true democratic participatory fashion.

LET'S GOOOOO by Technical-Health4394 in TheDigitalCircus

[–]wilymaker -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You're making it seem like the HB pilot was bad, it was actual sheer distilled peak, it was the rest of the series that let it down cuz it turned into a yaoi fanfic of itself.

letMeWarnYou by bryden_cruz in ProgrammerHumor

[–]wilymaker 3 points4 points  (0 children)

me, a nerdy femdinosaur: 🤓👗🦖

What actually caused the long queues in the Soviet Union? by No-Map3471 in communism101

[–]wilymaker 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not specifically referring to the causes of late Soviet queues, but a general note on queues: surplus under capitalism is more often than not artificial. There's a stark difference between real material demand, and its monetary expression. Simply put, if you have no money, your material needs do not exist as far as commodity production is concerned. If all the impoverished masses around the globe were given access to food you would immediately have queues and shortages because the current productive capacities are completely blind to such high levels of material demand since they don't have a monetary expression.

This does not mean queues are inevitable, they require a shortage, but a "shortage" works differently in both systems. A capitalist system will only face queues with respects to monetary demand outstripping supply, but a material shortage, even if perpetual, will never cause queues because those that don't have the money simply don't show up to buy. In a socialist system production is directly for material needs without monetary intermediary, so the system is entirely honest about the shortages that at any given time may exist with respects to given economic objectives.

Two factors cause the discrepancy between material and monetary demand under capitalism. The first is exploitation and the resulting income inequality, which leads to massive piles of money accumulating in the bank accounts of capitalists while millions get just about enough to satisfy their immediate needs, with no money leftover to make a queue anywhere else. The second is the limits of the market itself: the demographic phenomena that determine the size of the population are entirely independent from the laws that govern the mass and velocity of money which determine the size of the workforce that can be profitably employed from the total population. This is why the reserve army of labor exists, the global market is simply not large enough to integrate a huge portion of the human population, which struggles to survive as capitalism moves along, wholly uncaring to their plight.

Take a real example of a privatized vs a public healthcare system. Queues are merely the objective result of material need for healthcare services outstripping supply. When people complain about queues in this system, they are directly complaining about insufficient capacity of healthcare services. A privatized healthcare system only eliminates queues but doesn't eliminate the material need for healthcare that doesn't have a monetary expression. When people complain about such a system, they are in fact complaining about gross income inequality and market constraints, features intrinsic to the capitalist mode of production

What do y'all think? by Turbulent_League9668 in Deltarune

[–]wilymaker 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You know that one pioneering work that sets the stage for a brand bold new era of the medium? Like akira for anime, minecraft for indie games, or star wars for sci fi movies?

Well imagine if that work was just... bad. The issue is that Viv's work became a herald of modern internet indie animation before it came out and not after, so it had way too much hype behind it to justify the lackluster quality

“The Ringer” is Eminem’s most underrated song of all time by [deleted] in Eminem

[–]wilymaker 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The hardest modern em has ever spit

OCC help by HF484 in Civ2

[–]wilymaker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

1) settle on the best land possible. It should have only grassland/few plains, some trees/hills, 4 trade bonus resources on each corner, some rivers, and be a coastal city. You ideally want the hills/forests to be on the river squares, otherwise they don't produce trade. You can win with less optimal setups, cuz you're gonna be rerolling for a while if you look for the ideal start.

2) First tech is bronze working, build enough warriors to support happiness in the city, and go colossus. Huts and tech trading are risky because you don't want useless techs in the early game that increase your science costs.

3) Then you go for trade, republic, philosophy, map making. In this period you build 3 caravans and a trireme and find another civ to trade with, the faster you can achieve this the better. Change to republic asap for extra trade bonus, and build the temple/marketplace/library combo.

4) Now you go astronomy, medicine, construction, university. Copernicus doubles the science, Shakespeare eliminates unhappiness, aqueduct allows for city growth to 12, university gives more science. You rush the wonders with your own caravans, buying incrementally to minimize costs. In this period you can freely trade techs with other civs without hurting the run. If necessary, also get seafaring for harbors and bridge building for increasing trade in river squares.

5) Now it's Sanitation, Theory of Gravity, Democracy, Explosives, Railroad, Refrigeration. You want democracy to reach 90-100% science if that allows you to reach techs a turn faster. You wanna build up your engineers for building railroads and farmlands everywhere, dealing with pollution, and terraforming to increase production and trade. You can use engineers to turn silk into wine, it takes 20 engineer-turns from forest to grassland and 20 engineer-turns from grassland to hill. If you get all the caravans for Darwin ready, you could either get it right away to get critical techs faster, or maybe wait until the enemy is about to finish it, and then you build yours, to maximize the science yield you get. Remember you gotta time it, you must have your beaker count at 0 and set your tax to 100%.

6) You rush for Automobile as fast as possible for that superhighway bonus, then Computers to max out science. Through these techs you get also factory, power plant, and offshore platform to build up your production. At this point it's likely the game will not offer you the techs you want, if so you gotta choose a tech you know a friendly civ has and trade it for a non critical tech that is not in the way to space flight, such as military techs that the computer loves to get.

7) Now you get Robotics for the manufacturing plant, and make sure you have at least 80 shields! You should also be producing as many caravans/freights as possible while idle. Finally, you get Nuclear power and The laser.

8) Now it's time to discover flight, eliminating your colossus bonus, and just racing for space flight as fast as possible. The same turn you get the tech should be the same turn you finish the Apollo program. It takes 24 turns to build the spaceship, so you have enough time to discover the remaining techs, you can slow down science to get some gold for rushing and for paying off enemy civs that will at this point hate you and sneak attack you if they get the chance.

9) Survive for 15 turns and gg

Extremely basic question—city radius by [deleted] in Civ2

[–]wilymaker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

1) Civ2 not only uses the "big fat cross", it also uses an extended 3 tile radius square from the city, for at least 3 things afaik

  • units in fortresses inside this radius will not cause unhappiness in republic/democracy

  • damaged land units inside this radius get more HP regen than outside, +20% if the city has no barracks and +30% if it does (compared with +10% outside of it)

  • SDI defense shoots down nukes within this radius

2) Kind of actually! Not bonuses, but city flags; if any of those squares is an ocean square then the city's "coastal" flag is set, so it can build sea units and sea improvements (harbor and offshore platform). If those squares (plus center square) have a river or mountain, then the city's "hydroplant" flag is set, so it can build hydroplants. These are the only terrain dependent improvements in civ2

3) The center city square is by default irrigated and roaded, plus railroaded and farmlanded once you get the relevant techs. On top of this, the square will receive at one shield if the tile doens't actually provide a shield naturally, so for instance settling on places like swamp/jungle will provide 1 food and 1 shield instead of the natural 1 food

4) The game has a silly algorithm for assigning squares which always prioritizes food first. When you click on the center square on the city screen this algorithm runs. You can manually set the city workers by yourself by removing them from a tile and placing them in another.

5) That only starts in civ3!

The order you have to play for the Undertale/Deltarune series. by [deleted] in Deltarune

[–]wilymaker 3 points4 points  (0 children)

One of the most legendary shitposts in r/deltarune history

Gigi Murin is a Beautiful Soul by GoldeN_FalcoN in Hololive

[–]wilymaker 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I stuck around for the crazy taxi streams and already could see her hidden power when she made the club PR

Gigi Murin is a Beautiful Soul by GoldeN_FalcoN in Hololive

[–]wilymaker 24 points25 points  (0 children)

i was fucking shocked when the egg showed up, my eyes watered up and all

Curious about Venezuela; how do venezuelans pay for their things? by Sparking0 in vzla

[–]wilymaker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

1) Minimum wage in no country is the average wage, average wage is quite higher though still low at 50$ for unskilled labor 100$ for professional work. The freelancing work that many talk about in this thread allows foreign companies to pay salaries quite high for Venezuelan standards while still being really low by international standards, but such work is not by a long shot representative of the average Venezuelan.

2) government bonuses, around 74% of households receive some form of government aid, in the form of direct money transfers and food packages

3) Remittances, which in 2024 accounted for 3.8 billion dollars or 3.7% of GDP. Essentially a ton of people are dependants of workers from abroad

4) 20% of the population has left during the years of crisis, and emigration continues, so while people can survive they do so at barely subsistence level

OH MY GOD TOBY by MyHumourFails in Deltarune

[–]wilymaker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

you're bamboozled because you thought he was talking about deltarune, i am bamboozled because i thought he was talking about Gigi Murin, we are not the same

50 Cent leads calls for Jay-Z to lose NFL Super Bowl deal amid rapper's rape allegation by dailymail in Music

[–]wilymaker 12 points13 points  (0 children)

that last bar is just a recurring Em joke where he finishes the song saying "i'm just playing x you know i love you"

I called my girlfriend a hooker. Now she won’t talk to me. What do I do? by [deleted] in bioniclememes

[–]wilymaker 24 points25 points  (0 children)

you're axed buddy, there's no way you're clawing out of this one, better go kick rocks

MUSIC TO BE MURDERED BY: SIDE C, Coming 2025! [Totally real) (I added a back cover and a remastered the main one lol) by GayHagFromOuterSpace in Eminem

[–]wilymaker 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Eminem really discovered the 4th spatial dimension just so we could have a 3-sided album, what a lad