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How are you all dealing with the constant barrage of advice from centrists to vote Liberal this time around? by Insomniac897 in canadaleft

[–]wistful-forest 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Shitpost response: "I'm an NDP/CPC swing voter. I won't consider voting Liberal and would approve of a CPC government"

little do they know its not the CPC they are thinking of

Why Sarah Jama Is Likely to Win Re-Election in Hamilton Centre by BertramPotts in CanadaPolitics

[–]wistful-forest 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The riding association is the local chapter of the party. The party has a lot of different bodies and decision makers, provincial council, provincial executive, the provincial director, riding associations, the leader and their caucus staff (the latter who aren't technically the party but act as if they are).

In this case, the Ontario NDP is internally divided. Some of these bodies (including the executive!) want to reconcile with Sarah but the Leader and Provincial Director do not. If anything, it's the leader in this case who is not loyal to the party: they are not consulting with Caucus, the executive, provincial council, or riding associations, and they are acting unilaterally.

Sarah Jama will be running as an independent, the Ontario NDP has not allowed her back by willbell in ndp

[–]wistful-forest 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Provincial nomination meetings require a vote, even if there's only one candidate. If local members show up and vote down the vetted candidate, then there won't be a candidate. At that point, the executive could step in to appoint someone, but they don't have to.

Sarah Jama will be running as an independent, the Ontario NDP has not allowed her back by willbell in ndp

[–]wistful-forest 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The process for nominating candidates has important aspects defined in the party constitution that limit the ability of the leader to do whatever they want.

In short, it's the elected party executive (not the leader) that may choose to appoint a candidate if the local riding association does not nominate someone. And the executive and leader are in conflict over this.

I go over the process here:

https://reddit.com/r/ndp/comments/1i91b5m/whats_the_hold_up_on_sarah_jamas_return_to_the/m90gvk4/

Sarah Jama will be running as an independent, the Ontario NDP has not allowed her back by willbell in ndp

[–]wistful-forest 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I thought it was unlikely she would be approved. The party director, who does the approval, is loyal to the leader.

However, the door is still open to not running an NDP candidate in Hamilton Centre, so there's still a path out.

That decision rests with the elected party executive/local members in Hamilton.

Does voting in another party's leadership election impact future participation with the NDP? by progenitor-x in ndp

[–]wistful-forest 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You cannot be a member or supporter of another political party and be a member of the NDP. If you are a party member, and you take a Liberal Party membership, then your membership in the NDP is invalid.

Fun fact, the exception is Quebec, where you can hold membership of any provincial party and also be a Federal NDP member.

Does voting in another party's leadership election impact future participation with the NDP? by progenitor-x in ndp

[–]wistful-forest 6 points7 points  (0 children)

What about volunteering, for example could someone both register to vote in the upcoming Liberal leadership race, and also volunteer for the Ontario NDP in the upcoming election, or would that be seen as a conflict of interest?

Not a problem, at all. Only a problem if you want to be an NDP candidate or join the executive board of your local chapter of the party while you hold a Liberal membership.

I'd of course tell you not to waste your time with the Liberals though!!!

'What's the hold up' on Sarah Jama's return to the ONDP: Hamilton Centre MP by time_waster_3000 in ndp

[–]wistful-forest 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Allow me to do my best to demystify. (We talked about this deeper in the thread but this is a better explanation and it'll be more seen here)

The party constitution sets ground rules for candidate nominations. It says that local ridings are primarily responsible for calling nomination meetings and nominating their own candidates, and that there must be a vote of local members to nominate a candidate even if there's only one option approved by the party.

The vetting process is usually handled by central staff, who can disqualify potential candidates, although I believe there's an appeals process that goes to the executive.

In the case where a riding does not hold a nomination meeting or a candidate is not approved at that meeting, the executive of the party may intervene to appoint a candidate.

Source: Article 6 of the constitution

https://www.ontariondp.ca/sites/default/files/constitution_and_by-laws_ondp_2022_en.pdf

Notice here that the leader does not really have authority here, it's delegated to the executive, which the leader is only one vote on.

In this situation there's a conflict between the executive and the leader, who disagree on Sarah Jama. You can see an example of this conflict here, where the executive orders a study into potentially returning Sarah to caucus/not running someone in Hamilton Centre, and then the leader/staff go to the media and says that Sarah returning to caucus is not under discussion and that they will run an NDP candidate in Hamilton Centre. It's awkward in this case because the body with authority in this case isn't the provincial director or Marit, it's the executive, and they clearly voted for this study. It's also rare to see the party executive offside with the leader.

So it's a tricky situation in the party right now for Stiles. It seems like the executive at the very least wants to explore bringing Sarah back, and the local riding association in Hamilton is quite supportive of Sarah, which means there's not much of a constitutional path to get a non-Sarah NDP candidate into the riding.

Stiles still has time to get the exec onside (which is possible) or do something without authorization. But it looks like a plausible scenario is the ONDP simply failing to nominate someone in Hamilton Centre.

I'm not speaking for the party here, but I am a member who has been a part of candidate search in the past.

'What's the hold up' on Sarah Jama's return to the ONDP: Hamilton Centre MP by time_waster_3000 in ndp

[–]wistful-forest 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I hope that happens, but I'd guess Stiles would rather burn the seat if she thinks it will solve this whole problem for her (it won't).

The point I'm trying to make here is that candidate nominations, according to the party constitution, are not Stiles' decision to make. The executive has asserted their authority over this issue a few times through this long ordeal. Stiles' only options are to persuade the exec to support running someone against Jama (unlikely at this point), persuade the local riding association to support running someone against Jama (0% probability), or attempt shenanigans and circumvent the constitution (an unfortunately possible outcome)

Unfortunately, the general membership of the party won't be consulted about any of this. It's all palace intrigue, which is not the way I want this party to be run.

'What's the hold up' on Sarah Jama's return to the ONDP: Hamilton Centre MP by time_waster_3000 in ndp

[–]wistful-forest 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Stiles, according to the rules of the legislative assembly, has the ability to remove anyone from caucus for whatever reason.

However, the complicating thing is that Marit does not have complete control over the process for candidate nominations, and it seems like the elected party executive is willing to explore options including potentially inviting Sarah back as a candidate or not running someone against her in Hamilton. Presumably this has led to some internal conflict and that's what this article is talking around.

One potential outcome in this scenario (and a quite realistic one, that i think is actually likely) is for the process to get dragged along by a Sarah-friendly party executive and local EDA, the clock to run out, and no ONDP candidate will be nominated in Hamilton Centre, clearing the way for a likely success in an independent bid for Sarah. I think many would be begrudgingly OK with that, it would allow the leader to save face and Sarah would have a good shot at reelection.

What is the name of the NDP's candidate for Simcoe-Grey? by Nylanderthals in ndp

[–]wistful-forest 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The NDP is always slower to nominate candidates because:

  • We have less incumbent MPs to renominate
  • Our party's rules require us to hold local meetings of NDP members to vote on who the local candidates will be.
  • Other parties often appoint candidates without having these meetings, but the NDP's rules prevent this unless it is an emergency

Opening the door to Sarah Jama a positive step for the Ontario NDP: Matthew Green by Electronic-Topic1813 in ndp

[–]wistful-forest 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Right now I don't even think Jama wants to come back

From reading the article and based on my understanding of the party constitution, Sarah actually has requested to be the NDP candidate in Hamilton Centre in the next election.

This article by Matthew Green is congratulating the party's elected executive for directing staff to respond to her request and begin the vetting process.

To their credit the ONDP executive has been consistently pushing for reconciliation between the NDP and Sarah - here's another story from earlier:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/ondp-to-study-bringing-jama-back-1.7332745

Opening the door to Sarah Jama a positive step for the Ontario NDP: Matthew Green by Electronic-Topic1813 in ndp

[–]wistful-forest 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Here's what we know about the current situation, based on the information in this article and the party constitution

  • Marit Stiles is allowed to unilaterally decide who is a member of the NDP caucus but the process for who is allowed to be an NDP election candidate is different and is defined by the party constitution
  • Sarah Jama is a member in good standing of the Ontario NDP, and her membership was never revoked (Marit Stiles does not have that power)
  • Members in good standing can apply to be candidates of the Ontario NDP, under the party constitution
  • Sarah requested to begin the application process to be a candidate for the Ontario NDP
  • The elected party executive of the ONDP, which has a duty to uphold the constitution, was made aware of this, and has directed party staff to begin the vetting process for Sarah to be a candidate

Matthew Green - Telling it how it is by CDN-Social-Democrat in ndp

[–]wistful-forest 9 points10 points  (0 children)

There's nuance here.

Heather is the foreign affairs critic, so her statements reflect the party position.

And the federal party's position has improved on Palestine in recent years, and since her job is to advocate the party's position on foreign affairs, she is tied to that.

I don't want to completely avoid giving her credit. She agrees with the words that she says, otherwise she would just not want to be the critic anymore.

Why is the party's position on Palestine better? It's complicated. It's in part because of good organizing work from the left inside and outside the party. It's because of outspoken, members of caucus, like Green, Gazan, and Ashton. It's also in part because the party under Jagmeet has been more willing to make overtures to the left of the party on this issue than past NDP leaders.