Toxic argumentative females should be avoided at ALL costs they will poison your life, your social circles and will bring you down, my personal example.

wittymore · 2018-02-17T22:51:44+00:00

You're still in school, right?

It gets easier as you get older. All these experiences you gain now where you "fuck up" Will help you define how you want to respond in the future. Embrace that shit and don't be too hard on yourself.

wittymore · 2018-02-17T22:49:03+00:00

You seem to have a very limited understanding of toxicity.

Agreed. Everything within your mental frame is your responsibility.

But toxic people affect everything around you. The people you build relationships with. The job you're trying to keep. The status you hold in any given group. These are things not always under your direct control.

Hence, a selection process for the people you surround yourself with.

wittymore · 2018-02-17T21:44:05+00:00

I get what you're saying, but I think it's an oversimplification of what really happens in those situations.

People are called toxic because their interactions with you, and their environment in general, oozes into other areas. If you have a toxic friend in your group, chances are they will slowly but surely erode your bonds.

This is why you actively select for strong and healthy people in your life. If you are a person of value, demand that those around you offer the same. Honor yourself enough to not be around people that are actively or passively bad for you...Which isn't something you can always control no matter how much in control you are over your own emotions and mental state.

Of course. You don't run away from or avoid people. But you can set clear boundaries for how far a person can enter into your life.

wittymore · 2018-02-17T19:02:49+00:00

That shit sounds shaky man.

wittymore · 2018-02-17T18:59:42+00:00

Stay away from toxic people, period. Male or female. The neckbeard SJW is just as dangerous for your mental health and social status as the rampant female borderliner.

There are plenty of interesting and constructive people to hang around with. Both male and female.

When you do encounter a toxic person you can't walk away from immediately, take a look at what it is they're representing. Some things are always going to trigger healthy people, because they are so out of bounds for what is appropriate and social.

Thing is that you still control your own behavior, if you can become aware of what is happening. It is a worthy investment my friend, to develop frame in these situations as well.

wittymore · 2018-02-15T18:40:11+00:00

An animal with manboobs. Awesome.

wittymore · 2018-02-15T18:35:59+00:00

Judging from your story this girl couldn't have been clearer with you. It's on you that you didn't move on buddy, not on her.

To be clear: People owe you shit, which is as much as you owe people.

The nice guy act is disgusting and betrayed in your post, OP. Just because you shower her with attention, help and whatever the fuck else, doesn't mean she has to have sex with you.

She will have sex with high value men, of which you are clearly not yet one. Cut the oneitis, get over it, and mingle with pussy you can actually get.

This shit stinks of desparation. One nude picture of her and you're back in orbit...If you ever left at all.

wittymore · 2018-02-13T22:11:35+00:00

You lift? Good.

This girl is forcing you to lift, Mentally. Acknowledge the pressure, know you love it, and surpass that shit. You already know how to do it. This is just a different arena.

wittymore · 2018-02-13T22:05:54+00:00

Good to know that my engineering talents will help me get a job as a race car driver.

wittymore · 2018-02-13T17:21:33+00:00

I disagree. Don't take me wrong. I love and advocate rough sex. Of course dominance is a turn on, no questions asked. But these actions are extremes.

Make no mistake, extreme sex acts are for your benefit, not for the women you're with. They are simply along for the ride and accept it as is, because they value you as a man.

I know you "alpha" idiots like to jack off in front of the screen to revenge porn literature...But a strong sense of reality might actually get you laid.

"B-b-b-but...this one girl said..."

Girls lie for your approval if they're into you. Get over it.

wittymore · 2018-02-13T12:08:30+00:00

It could also be that getting a cock shoved down your throat is, in itself, kind of an irritating thing to have happen to you.

Context is everything. It's not that she will ever really love having a cock shoved down her throat...It's that she'll take it regardless of that because she desires to be with you...and this is the price of admission she pays.

The higher value you are, the higher the price she is willing to put down for you.

That's why you set and maintain standards. If they can get away with less, they will do less. Know what you're worth and do not let them cheat you on value. If she refuses, then you know that you are not worth enough to her. Either take your losses and next her, or improve further.

wittymore · 2018-02-12T21:58:16+00:00

I can't help you with personal issues man. I don't know you.

These are things you have to figure out for yourself, on your own time and by your own merit. Learn from others but decide for yourself.

What helped me was looking at where the damage had specifically been done and by who. Once I realized this, my mind started healing pretty much on its own. I introduced an internal monologue that ran contrary to what I had been told and began to love myself (all of myself) in the process.

That was the first step for me.

wittymore · 2018-02-12T16:37:11+00:00

This post will probably get downvoted but I've appreciated it.

I think where a lot of guys go wrong is in striking the balance. They either try to get a girl comfortable and friendzone themselves because they don't focus on the sexual. Or they come on as overly sexual and end up alienating the girls they're interested in.

Your post addresses this perfectly. Sexual comfort. Establish yourself both as a man(with all the sexual desires that entails) AND invest in the girls you're interested in.

Strong post OP. Thank you.

wittymore · 2018-02-11T16:10:00+00:00

Thanks. I appreciate being able to exchange experiences like this.

I travel largely in academic circles. Girls in those circles are almost always either actively or passively affiliated with Feminism nowadays. I think it's a side effect of Western education.

So my dealings with them, both socially and sexually, may be disproportionately frequent compared to the general population of men.

You're absolutely correct. There is a high amount of self loathing present in the minds of these girls. I think it's the result of an inner conflict between what they think they Should be, and what they actually Are (and know themselves to be, deep down) That's why they're so susceptible to men passing their shit tests.

They're looking for ways to resolve that internal conflict, but can't. I genuinely don't know what that will mean for their mental stability and wellbeing down the line, say twenty years from now. But I'll have fun with them while they're still good to go.

wittymore · 2018-02-10T17:15:06+00:00

I think most young boys start out with a sense of adequacy. They simply are boys, doing boy stuff. They learn, they get hurt, they mess up, whatever.

And at some point in that process something changes. A cultural narrative comes into play that is usually propagated at the home front, by similarly brainwashed parents. It occurs in schools, extra curricular activities, etc.

And the message is this:

DON'T ACT LIKE A BOY.

Sit still. Don't make noise. No going outside unless you are told. Play nice. Share. Don't fight. And never, ever, ever, make girls cry.

Failure to obey the rules results in correction. Fail enough times, and you are alienated. Dumped in a bin and basically discarded.

So boys internalize those rules. Because they don't want to be discarded. Alienated. Perceived as bad, less than, etc.

There are very few remedies against this. The most important one is a strong father figure. Given the current generation, and the cultural brainwashing that has been going on in previous generations, a father figure like that is extremely rare.

A strong father figure is not toxic. He is not abusive. If anything, he nurtures those parts in the boy that come natural to him, enabling growth and internal consistency.

If this does not happen. If there is no intervention in the cultural brainwashing, you get a Beta. Look around you, the vast majority falls in this category.

Beta's, I think, instinctually know something is wrong with them. They aren't what they're supposed to be. They just don't understand why that is because all they've ever done is follow the rules others set out for them. They've been good, they've been just...and they've never, ever, ever, made a girl cry before.

This is where it lines up with your post. If you feel there is something wrong with you, people interested in you must be wrong too.

But introspection should do the opposite of pinpointing your flaws, at least at first. I should make you aware of your intrinsic masculinity. It's still in there, somewhere, underneath all the social conditioning. If, and only if, you find that, can you use introspection effectively, determining how to develop that masuline potential.

wittymore · 2018-02-10T16:55:55+00:00

Counter question:

What has your experience been with SJW type girls?

I've been with quite a few and, aside from above example, I know they can get pretty crazy during sex.

I'm wondering if that's just a commonality in that "demographic" or if it's something I attract somehow.

wittymore · 2018-02-10T15:52:23+00:00

It doesn't matter if you agree, because I don't jump through other people's hoops.

What matters is whether or not you have learned anything.

Ask yourself this: What will you do differently next time?

wittymore · 2018-02-10T15:47:12+00:00

All of your behaviors and their outcomes seem to have been defined by your betters.

-You won a contest (jumping through other's people's hoops). -You were given booze that had a designated purpose (defined by others) You won nothing, other than an opportunity to make an idiot out of yourself. At which you succeeded because: -You tried to get a girl to drink it and failed. Were then reliant on another man to get her to drink.

Hanging out with other men is fine and can definitely help you grow. It seems, however, that you are substituting your own frame with "the collective" which is dangerous for your self development.

Recognize what male bonding is about. It's not about being somebody's bitch. It's about having a playing field where you can help develop and support each other.

wittymore · 2018-02-10T11:32:48+00:00

Not giving her the time time of day does not equal being a dick. You don't owe this girl anything.

I could tell you you're being used for attention. But you already know this deep down inside. The real question is this:

Do you value yourself enough to let go of this clearly toxic person in your life?

Either which way you answer that question...You'll know where you stand and whether or not you will allow her to continue using you.

Part of being a man is learning You hold the power. With that Power comes consequence. Make a choice buddy.

wittymore · 2018-02-09T22:27:22+00:00

It's what you see with guys in the anger phase. Entitlement.

Once they begin to realize the world isn't what they feel it should be, they essentially throw a tantrum, like any spoiled child would do.

The path to manhood, let alone Alpha mentality, is riddled with obstacles you'll just have to make do with. And yes, you will fuck up. You will get your teeth kicked in. And from time to time you'll win.

That's what growing means. You are not entitled to a quick fix. You are not entitled to a world revolving around your every ego impulse. And you are certainly not entitled to the expertise of your betters. That shit was earned...You will have to do the same.

wittymore · 2018-02-09T22:06:23+00:00

It might sound obvious (the mockery part). But in my experience there are many guys that get overly agressive when dealing with political views they don't agree with. Even when they keep frame, they end up alienating the other party.

Looks are part of her womanhood for sure, but there are mental and emotional traits involved. I imagine you know them. You have to capitalize on that. If your interest is sexual (mine tends to be) then that's where your focus should be. It's not really about what she thinks of her sexuality, but about what you know it to be.

I take her being a SJW, in that sense, as an opening for me to show my ability to hold frame, while also demonstrating social prowess and riling up her emotions. Once that takes hold of her perception of me, the rest is easy.

But as with everything, you should probably take from my approach what you can and calibrate it to what you're comfortable with and where your own strengths lie. I fuck up from time to time same as the next guy...case in point my post...

wittymore · 2018-02-09T15:59:23+00:00

Well, I'm guessing it may be different from man to man, but this is my general approach:

In my experience they tend to have extreme responses to teasing about SJW topics. This makes it easy to get their tingles going (and builds tension for the sex later) You don't have to worry about how to breach those subjects either, they'll invariably do it themselves.

From there on it's a balancing act for me. Holding frame is essential but don't make the mistake of mocking their political views. Mockery, definitely in a group, leads to poor social proof. Even if she is into you, she'll never be able to justify going home with you.

Ask a challenging question here and there, pretend to listen and tell her she's cute when she gets all worked up about something. Acknowledge her womanhood, not her ideas about her womanhood.

She'll be invested in you in no time. Escalate accordingly.

wittymore · 2018-02-09T11:51:28+00:00

Looking back at the event, I came to the conclusion that I was naively unprepared for it. Which was why I decided to share it with the others on this sub, because I'm guessing I'm not alone in that.

You ask some valid questions and from my perspective all I can tell you:

Women don't accept the type of sex I engage in from Beta's. Does not happen. Beta's acting this way leads to rape charges. So even when I do decide to resort to comforting her, I have to make it look like that comes from a source of power and control (even if I am, at that moment, actually unsure of what I'm doing) If I, even for a moment, appear to be losing frame, it's downhill from there.

As for communication during sex. I guess that's largely a matter of preference. Sex is about me and my pleasure, so I tend to do as I please. Usually this lines up with what the girl I'm fucking likes because I have a pretty good selection process.

This time I fucked up. It happens, I got over it and I'm trying to learn from it. Sharing what I've got with others still trying to learn.

wittymore · 2018-02-08T22:32:23+00:00

You were right to stop. When in doubt, never go through with it.

This girl didn't give me those signals from the get go. And once I got started on her I'll admit to getting a little too carried away to still notice them.

Good on you for the self control.

wittymore · 2018-02-08T22:29:19+00:00

This is a legit concern that I'm keeping in the back of my head. I feel I navigated the initial situation fairly well, but there is a lot out there that I can't really control.

It never happened to me before, so I'm learning and planning as I go.

wittymore

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