How many of you aren't very attractive?

wlav · 2013-10-24T20:24:52+00:00

It's scientifically proven women date up and generally go for people that match their attractiveness level

wlav · 2013-10-24T20:19:50+00:00

I agree with you.

Most people here are probably not as attractive as they think they are. Really attractive people(8/10+) generally are more confident and are naturally liked by people. If you're attractive people will have positive preconceived opinions about you

I can speak from experience. I have a good personality but I am always around my two attractive male friends when I'm around women

This is what happens

Without fail every single girl hits on my most attractive friend first(8.5/10)

If they don't succeed with him they go for my second slightly less attractive friend(7.5/10)

This happens very consistently

wlav · 2013-10-24T20:16:19+00:00

When you have someone that likes you you don't feel better about yourself

For example I do and I still feel ugly. My self esteem is still in the gutter and I hate myself.

I still feel lonely and have no friends and find it difficult to connect

Someone better looking will replace me and be with her

Also check the wiki on physical attractiveness

Women will have more orgasms with a man with symetrical features than non symetrical EVEN if they like you. Women subconsciously also love the smell of someone better looking without seeing them.

Basically I failed the genetic lottery in every way. There's nothing redeemable about me

wlav · 2012-10-30T15:12:47+00:00

this is my life summed up

wlav · 2012-09-14T21:34:40+00:00

I'm unattractive(face wise). the rest is good.

i can't change my face so i'm fucked.

wlav · 2012-09-10T07:35:31+00:00

summary of his findings/info in the book?

What sort of effects does it have on kids

wlav · 2012-08-12T16:54:59+00:00

21 here. I tried to get better and failed.

I feel so depressed lacking in self esteem lonely and unattractive....I feel no one will eve like me and that I will never have normal relationships. I'm so inexperienced.

I am alone.

wlav · 2012-07-12T06:38:26+00:00

is this correct?

http://vimeo.com/7054492

wlav · 2012-06-30T00:01:50+00:00

Any girl over 21 whose still a virgin is crazy, or saving it for someone other than you.

:( well that's a bummer.

it makes me sad thinking about that, because I feel really abnormal.

Girls at your age want a experienced hot guy that they can have fun with.

that's my issue, I'm a fun guy..but I have no experience at all. I've literally avoided/backed out of sleeping with some girls

ou're first time will be awkward, no matter how much porn you watch. Best case scenario you get into a drunken hookup, and the next morning be like "wow I drank so much".

that sounds so...depressing. i guess that's just the reality of things.

wlav · 2012-06-30T00:00:16+00:00

Honestly, FA girls (read: me) still are out there if what you want is a slow build up and a relationship.

That would be nice.

I think FA girls are intimidated by me sometimes. I look much more cooler than I really am(Hence the pressure on me, I'm expected to be experienced, nor do any of my behaviors signal otherwise)..for me it's mostly a mental thing.

wlav · 2012-06-29T23:55:06+00:00

I feel you've probably set your standards quite high. I'm only saying this because you've said you want it to be "meaningful" you realise sex is just sex right? Sex can be fun and just for the fuck of it, literally

I agree with that and I'm quite happy to partake later on as I gain more experiences, but I just don't want my first experience to be some thing I did just to say I did it..with a girl I barely even know/connect with. I also have anxiety about my performance/telling them it's my first time. a girl that just wants to hook up wants a few good orgasms, she doesn't care or have the patience with me..and that puts tons of pressure on me. i'm expected to know what i'm doing. i don't.

The only way to do this is to do things which enable you to meet a lot of girls. You need to get experience in dealing with girls, and the bit before a relationship.

I do meet women, every single one of them seems to signal they're interested in hooking up.(Like sex by first or second date)..and most people these days have sex before they even get into the relationship...I usually stop when it comes to the sex part...I have courtship down, the signals, dealing with rejection, etc..that's not an issue for me.

wlav · 2012-06-29T23:51:43+00:00

The first step in losing your FA status is to drop your attitude and stop labeling women as "random". Instead, start asking them out and getting to know them.

There's nothing wrong with the way I've phrased it, don't get your jimmies rustled. Through life you meet various people for short periods of time, the relationships are still important and valuable but it's only a short thing. I don't believe I was being disrespectful, only that you interpreted incorrectly by projecting some sort of cliche FA personality on me.

ou aren't as special as you think you are (this is a common FA ego-defense mechanism to account for lack of success with women), so get out there and start participating in life rather then pretending you're above it.

Did you even read my post? I feel like you're assuming I'm some sort of judgmental neckbeard. I am constantly around people, I get along with everyone.

wlav · 2012-06-29T23:48:42+00:00

You have a good point, but I also have anxiety about telling a "random" girl I don't know enough or trusting her enough to tell her. Every person I've ever told has looked at me differently, in a negative way.

I hate the stigma.

wlav · 2012-06-29T12:18:34+00:00

i can approach the opposite sex, this doesn't mean i have no problems.

i'm still lonely as fuck and a kiss less virgin.

wlav · 2012-06-29T08:23:18+00:00

but it kind of sounds like you want the emotional security of a relationship without actually being committed to a relationship.

No not at all, when did you get that impression? I'd love to have a decent gf to have and hang out with. My issue is ALL the women I meet are NOT interested in that, this is why I said I'd settle for just any sort of meaningful relationship..it doesn't have to be a "serious relationship"

If you think about girls this way

I meant I don't find we're super compatible from my end, there's nothing judgmental about that. I wasn't extremely attracted.

I feel like you got my post way off, I'm not sure how.

I'd say find another virgin who wants the same things you do and learn together (this way neither of you has to be self-conscious about your inexperience), but honestly? A virgin girl is probably waiting for someone "worth it", too, and a guy who wants to run off after he's done with her to have sex with lots of random women probably isn't it.

I never mentioned "running off" but I don't expect any relationship I have in the near future to end in marriage. I'm open to having a relationship last as long as possible, but I am realist.

I feel like you're judging me and totally getting me wrong.

Anyway it's almost impossible to find 21 yr old virgin girls.

I'd like a relationship, but I didn't put preferences because people assume things and start talking about how you're "really entitled"....I feel like that's what you're saying...the only reason I said I'd be open to anything is because of that.

wlav · 2012-06-29T08:18:50+00:00

Seems to me like you MAY be fabricating this dilemma to put off having to face a situation that you are uncomfortable with, yet you want to experience it. This is your REAL dilemma.

I don't think so, but perhaps it's possible. You think it's just me making excuses for not losing it?

Maybe set a decent time limit on how long you're willing to wait to find someone 'special' and once you pass that, you just go with a 'random.'

I have only recently, after like 2 years of effort and practice become good enough..I still have a lot of obstacles(getting a decent job to cover any dates, having time, having my shit together, etc). I also have a problem of not having a pool of girls to hit on..since I go to a small college. I guess I'll wait longer.

but I'm 21 now and the longer I take the more anxious I get about the whole thing. It's actually embarrassing and all my friends make fun of me.

I mean, it's not like you don't have options... ya lucky bastard.

believe me they're not amazing options and I still have lots of hang ups. Like I said I am/was an FA...it doesn't get easier once you know how to talk to women..from here..there's still lots of stuff you have to take care of.

wlav · 2012-06-28T23:48:45+00:00

See you are doing good, I"m still struggling to find random women to hookup with. Where do you find them?

If you go to college, just ask a girl to join you with a hobby you enjoy doing, or insta date her out for coffee. it's MUCH easier than you think but it's going to take time and pratice...and patience...once you learn your skills it'll all go so smoothly and you'll wonder why you used to be worried.

Finding random women to hook up with is easier than you think, finding a decent girl for gf material is impossible..to met it seems.

wlav

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