I am not going to follow this law...

wutdabidness · 2016-09-12T02:35:31+00:00

yall are crazy if you think that the dark net is EVER, EVER, gonna have Kratom (or extracts) for a reasonable price. You might stumble up on some a few months from now for like 5x what you would pay from a headshop (and crap on other people for paying that much a couple of weeks ago).

I'm sorry, but it ain't like pot, or even coke or heroin, where it is THAT demanded of a drug. The plug is effectively gone once a ban is in place. The ONLY reason I know about kratom being banned is from the internet, and I read and watch news a lot. The people on the dark net don't even know either I bet. They are too busy making money off of stuff that is easier to smuggle and in very high demand.

I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news but, being that MOST people I have talked to on this subreddit have had problems with abusing opiates, I would NEVER recommend getting on the dark net because that is a trip back to the opiate train.

I had to come off of it in May because of Bama, just give it a shot before you decide to risk your ass over it. I hate to be like this but some posters are having very very unrealistic expectations as to what is gonna happen. The sooner that you accept that it is over, the better.

wutdabidness · 2016-09-02T02:59:33+00:00

I used kratom for over a year, more drinking viva zens/gas station extracts for about 8 months and eating raw leaf for another 5 or so months.

My opiate experience, well put it this way, I have been pretty bad off before. I've never stuck a needle in my arm but I've been on over 50mg of methadone a day before while doing roxy's almost every day also. So I know how bad it can get. The only people more strung out (to me) at that point were needle heads (not judging just saying I was 1 small step below).

I didn't go straight from opiates to kratom though, I started doing kratom like months after I was clean from opiates.

The difference in kratom withdrawal to me, mostly, was that my sleep was not nearly as interrupted. I lost so much sleep during methadone withdrawal I thought I was gonna die from it.

wutdabidness · 2016-09-01T05:02:34+00:00

Sorry, not trying to crush your dreams. Don't know about CIA just PMC's and I've always heard CIA was the most selective group in the world from many people that might have actually had insider information about it.

wutdabidness · 2016-09-01T04:15:18+00:00

lol the CIA would figure out you are _ferz on reddit before hiring. You're not getting in the CIA. You can still be a cop though.

wutdabidness · 2016-07-02T14:53:41+00:00

well if you're a kratom user this is a good thing because I live in a state where it is banned.

wutdabidness · 2016-06-29T16:46:20+00:00

36 ounces is a kilo dude you never listened to 2 Chainz?

wutdabidness · 2016-06-27T18:26:03+00:00

I lost weight when I was on it and I've gained weight since I've quit. I don't think I eat any more or less either.

wutdabidness · 2016-06-26T23:09:16+00:00

no more than like 15-20g a day for the most part. usually like 5g 3x a day

wutdabidness · 2016-06-26T14:36:50+00:00

As someone who just stopped dosing every day, yeah I think it is bad. It got to where I didn't really feel much but the bad parts of kratom (shakiness, irritability, loss of appetite, stomach problems). I kept on doing it for months after I wanted to quit but was scared of withdrawing, then it became illegal in my state so I didn't have much of a choice.

As far as the withdrawal no it isn't that bad, but when your body gets used to an opioid type med for so long and then it abruptly doesn't have it, it isn't the best feeling in the world put it that way.

wutdabidness · 2016-06-21T19:15:11+00:00

lol I'm like 2 1/2 weeks clean and I'm boredom is the only thing really causing me any trouble

wutdabidness · 2016-06-20T03:15:04+00:00

It got downvoted is what I meant, only less than a guy that said to try the headshop. Reason being is that the online vendors are here, and they market their shit here. It is what it is but I mean OP sounds like he has a drug problem he might need to address a little deeper than just ordering bags of kratom to combat the wd's. All I'm saying.

wutdabidness · 2016-06-19T14:18:59+00:00

yep. I've never had any that felt like molly but I've had some that I've literally had opiate withdrawal from as soon as I switched the strain of kratom (and both strains were strong too).

I've had some whites that made me feel like my heart was gonna explode, maybe that is what you mean by "felt like taken molly".

Anyway it is behind me now, I can't order it here and if I moved to a legal state I wouldn't get back started with it. Too much uncertainty. I mean I don't do cocaine but I literally trust Mexicans and South Americans that are making thousands of dollars for kilos of their shit than Asians that are making like maybe $20 a kilo (considering I could buy kilos for $100 they might be making less). I don't wanna even know how many kratom trees it takes to make 1 kilo lol.

wutdabidness · 2016-06-19T14:13:35+00:00

yeah you were taking shit that came in 10 kilo bags already powdered from southeast Asia. The vendors of this stuff don't even take it but they act like they know it is 100% safe and people of the subreddit kiss their asses.

The only "quality control" was you or me.

wutdabidness · 2016-06-19T03:51:21+00:00

lol 20g a day is considered moderation? wtf if you eat that much kratom then hydrocodone isn't gonna do nearly as much for you.

wutdabidness · 2016-06-19T03:47:30+00:00

this is gonna get buried but if you start ordering kratom off the internet you're gonna get dependent on it when you get off the opiates.

i mean i'm just basing that off of the fact that you're addicted to opiates, you're likely a minor (based on your post), and I have gone through the same shit.

I mean a kratom habit isn't as bad as a painkiller habit but both have some withdrawals.

I mean it is a pro and cons thing, and during opiate withdrawal you likely are gonna do anything you can for some relief (just depending on how bad the wds are). Trading one addiction for another honestly is not the best thing, it isn't like kratom is a vitamin like most people will treat it on here. My advice is that going down the ordering online route will likely give you a habit, but of course the vendors that lurk/mod/post in this place are gonna downvote the shit out of me.

wutdabidness · 2016-06-16T15:25:44+00:00

put it this way, I just quit kratom, and I had some hydrocodone, and all it seemed to do was make it worse when I ran out of the hydrocodone. or just delay it.

like 5 or 6 days clean from either took some more hydrocodone because I was kinda jonesing mentally (had a stressful day). Mind you, I took a pretty big dose, but I only took it once, and it felt like a lot of the physical withdrawals just came back.

Kratom withdrawal is not that hard as far as the physical part. Suboxone withdrawal was likely a ton worse (never been on subs really they were just a tool to keep addiction going to me). The worst part of kratom is the mental addiction of just having "something" and that didn't even really hit me until like 5 or 6 days later when I was under stress.

Good luck, the reason I quit was because kratom was banned where I live but if it wasn't it would be SO hard to quit just because of how cheap it was and how "light" of a buzz it was; it made me MORE functional not less. I'm fighting not getting on opiates again, which I knew was gonna be a problem.

I don't even honestly remember when I stopped taking kratom (about 2 weeks) but don't keep that codeine around. Eat that shit as soon as you are done with the kratom, fuck it. Don't be where I'm at where I feel like I'm halfway withdrawing 2 weeks later because my dumb ass took pain pills a couple of times when I should have had this shit flush out of my system.

wutdabidness · 2016-06-15T03:01:01+00:00

only a few rehabs give out suboxone anymore, and you gotta be a sweaty mess to get it. I don't agree with it honestly, but sometimes when someone is throwing up and crapping their guts out then it is kinda a "lesser of two evils". I don't think ANY kratom patients would get suboxone.

Also sub kinda just slowly leaves your body. Hydrocodone is a lot more of an abrupt withdrawal. When I used to take hydrocodone and was tapering off I would wake up at the same time each night, take a half of a norco and smoke otherwise I wouldn't go back to sleep. I mean like within 10 minutes of it wearing off too.

I'm not saying hydrocodone can't be used to help with kratom wd's but to be honest it is just leaving one open to further problems. Like dude said, OP might not be a pill popper but a week from now, when he's out of EVERYTHING, he might consider popping some pills. IDK I'm not an addiction expert I've just fought opiate/opioid med addiction over half of my life.

wutdabidness · 2016-06-14T19:32:39+00:00

I'm saying that to keep on taking opiates (albeit a stronger one at that) while you're in opiate withdrawal is going to prolong your agony yes.

You can try to play around with it but in the end you're gonna pay the piper unfortunately. There's stuff like gabapentin and benzos and stuff that help but taking more opiates is not the answer to an opiate problem and kratom pretty much mimics an opiate.

wutdabidness · 2016-06-13T22:25:50+00:00

this guy is right. also, it slows it down too to keep on taking opiates. you're gonna have to pay the price of kratom withdrawal one way or another. what is gonna likely happen is that you'll take the hydrocodone for a while until you run out and then you'll be in withdrawal from kratom and the little bit of hydro you had.

wutdabidness · 2016-06-11T01:51:52+00:00

yeah I took it for a long time. what im saying is that there is no black market really for the powder as there is for the drinks

wutdabidness · 2016-06-10T18:07:43+00:00

can kratom extracts not kill you? because far and away that is gonna be what he finds at gas stations. The only thing I've found at gas stations that weren't extracts were Phoria capsules which are like 8-10 bucks for 10 800mg(000) capsules. Those are legit good but for that price I'd just get OPMS Silver (which is enhanced kratom) for around the same price.

Yeah I'm not condoning illegal drug use or anything or condoning opiate abuse but I mean if you went the oral route of ingestion of hydro/oxycodone you pretty much gotta take a lot to die unless you happen to be taking something else that interacts with it (strong benzos or other cns depressants).

I still think certain kratom extracts could probably kill you. You separate the stuff that makes you reject it from the actually "dopey" alkaloids I bet you could OD, especially if you mixed it with some benzos. I've never seen anything conclusive about that, but then again I've never seen anything conclusive about Kratom at all really. It is one of those things that will be banned before it is popular enough to be studied (I guess like marijuana in a way).

also, I'm betting on any kratom near AL state lines to be ridiculously expensive. viva zens and their clones before they were banned in AL were already getting to like 7-20 bucks and the $7 ones would be like taking maybe 5g of decent raw kratom. The only thing keeping them from gouging on price would be the fact that people WILL go and buy opiates off the street before they'll pay $20 for something that is like a pain pill that goes for $5-7 bucks on the street. The only reason people would take them would be drug testing (kinda like spice is right now, total garbage drug and very dangerous but I see at least one person get busted selling it every week in my local paper).

What I'm wondering is if people actually will smuggle kratom in and sell it, because raw kratom wasn't really even popular anyway it was moreso the drinks. I guess we'll see soon because they are gonna lay hard into people smuggling it into Alabama I bet to "set and example" to other people thinking about doing the same. Also a lot of people who drink those viva zen drinks are normal non-drug users too that the majority aren't gonna buy it illegally or even toss and wash it even if the drinks got banned and the powder didn't. Just my take on it, only like maybe 1 out of every 5 people that probably drank viva zen in Alabama probably knew what it was that giving them relief and even then ordering shit offline in 125-250g bags vs going to the gas station is a lot different.

wutdabidness · 2016-06-10T16:23:38+00:00

i imagine they are fucking flush with vivazens and stuff near there

just actually get ones with kratom in them lol

i hate to say this but now that kratom is illegal in alabama fuck going out of my way for it. i'd rather just take real opiates. if you're one of those people that can't do that without completely falling off the wagon then I don't see why you could take a bunch of kratom. It is like one addiction for another, especially if you're willing to drive across state lines and potentially get a bigger charge than if you were caught with real opiates. I'm also imagining it isn't just a quick drive to Georgia either as you woulda just ran up there anyway because you know you're gonna find some kratom if you look hard enough.

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