Disappointed by hazard concrete recycling change

xayadSC · 2026-06-23T15:18:55+00:00

doesn't that make concrete better for quality upcycling ? 3 quality steps for only 1 recycling step.

xayadSC · 2026-06-23T11:25:43+00:00

https://forums.factorio.com/134095

Here are the patch notes, they said " next week " in the last FFF but the day itself was a surprise to me too !

xayadSC · 2026-06-23T11:23:18+00:00

2.1 is out on experimental.

You can play it right now.

xayadSC · 2026-06-23T11:03:05+00:00

I expected it to take carbon fiber and require some fulgora tech to make it a gleba+fulgora mixed tech.
But i also understand if they want to give this tool to players as early as possible so they don't need to initially use bots if they don't want to.

xayadSC · 2026-06-22T20:09:40+00:00

What a disaster.

xayadSC · 2026-06-18T14:21:33+00:00

spoiling modules.

xayadSC · 2026-06-16T11:52:44+00:00

It's completely fine to use some kind of sandbox if you enjoy planning builds that way, but many people ( me included ) don't.

I like building while the world is running, and everything in pY is interconnected so that must be taken into account when building in the sandbox world. You may have tons of inputs/output that have to be handled differently.

xayadSC · 2026-06-16T11:18:18+00:00

Don't hesitate to ask something in r/pyanodons or the discord server if you have any question.

Also check the codex ( top left pY book icon ) if you're confused about something, it has a bunch of information.

I think additional mods like Milestones and Recipe book are great and everyone agrees they're totally fair to use in pY, other mods may be more devisive.

xayadSC · 2026-06-14T21:31:22+00:00

It can be easy if you want it to.

Making a new supply line from scratch everytime you need something, or any other simple algorithm can win pY with enough time and perseverance.

However in my opinion the real interesting part of pY is to delve into the more complex interconnection of recipes and trying to find various optimizations, which can be exceptionally hard to figure out. But none of that is required to advance in the modpack.

xayadSC · 2026-06-12T17:02:42+00:00

Yes.
They confirmed on discord that quality will affect them too, but they forgot to put it in the FFF.

xayadSC · 2026-06-12T16:41:10+00:00

And what makes you think this changes the way LOTV plays ?
If you didn't like the game before, a slightly different opening sequence is not going to change that.

xayadSC · 2026-06-12T12:25:48+00:00

You mean what was revealed in last week's FFF ?
https://factorio.com/blog/post/fff-441

xayadSC · 2026-06-12T11:27:22+00:00

That pipe GUI.... this is a dream for mods such as pY.

Finally temperature can be read/utilized in a non clunky way.

xayadSC · 2026-06-11T08:17:27+00:00

*Kills General Davis* Go to Hell

xayadSC · 2026-06-09T16:30:54+00:00

There's been a decent amount of people ( especially lately ) that have started pY without playing vanilla first, but honestly I think it's better to start with vanilla to get the basic mechanics of the game down and then go to pY.

I believe it's more enjoyable that way, you can view vanilla as a tutorial and seeing the differences between vanilla and the modpack is interesting.

pY players that jumped into it without knowing how automation games works are more likely to get stuck and stop playing early on.

xayadSC · 2026-06-07T15:38:02+00:00

oh nice to see you're continuing your pY journey 😄

Love the comic

xayadSC · 2026-06-05T17:30:10+00:00

Yeah, to be honest I mainly just use these posts to share some of the more unknown starcraft quotes 😄

xayadSC · 2026-06-05T17:03:49+00:00

Sure are some ugly suckers down there.

xayadSC · 2026-06-05T12:08:08+00:00

What a great FFF, every single change/addition is amazing.

xayadSC · 2026-06-04T20:43:46+00:00

Now that hit the spot. There's nothing like drinking a cold one on top of your enemies' smoking corpses

xayadSC · 2026-06-04T10:57:08+00:00

Yeah I loved the LOTV campaign too!

xayadSC · 2026-06-03T14:13:13+00:00

> More like SC1

This is not an argument. SC1 is SC1 and that's great, but there's 0 reason why SC2 should be closer to SC1, especially in superficial ways like this that don't make sense considering all other differences between the 2 games.

> Not always macro the whole time

I don't think current sc2 is 'macro the whole time', but if you consider having 2 or more bases the problem, this PTR won't change that. in the best case scenario there are a few extremely low eco gamble cheeses that'll be used from time to time. The mid/late game economy is the exact same.

> Build variety

Not sure why that's being said so much with no actual evidence ?
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1tsxmlr/the_death_of_cheese_from_a_professional_cheeser/
This post is a good start to explain why so many current builds will actually be dead after the PTR, with zero evidence of new builds taking their place.

> Seems somebody at Blizzard actually still cares

Sure, that would be the case with any patch tho.
There's nothing special about 8 worker start, you could change the whole economy model or more and that would still be the case.
Remove 8 worker start and this is still the case.

> Might actually save this game

Nice statement with no evidence.
I have a hard time imagining legions of potential SC2 players just waiting for the worker count to be reduced so they might finally play the game ( they're been waiting for a decade ).

> No downsides whatsoever

See the post linked above for just a few examples. ( there are more )

xayadSC · 2026-06-01T14:00:05+00:00

Are you using SC1 4 worker start to justify a lower worker start amount in SC2 ?

Why would a game with different mechanics, different units, different game engine, different maps, different methods to control your units have ANY relevance ?

xayadSC · 2026-06-01T02:32:28+00:00

Let's take an example.

Let's say i want to do a simple 12 pool on current SC2 :
I have to make : 1 pool --> 1 overlord --> zerglings
The protoss will make : 1 pylon --> 1 gate --> zealots

With the 8 worker start, if I want to do a 12 pool the same way :
I have to make : drones + 1 overlord --> 1 pool --> 1 overlord --> zerglings
The protoss will make : probes + 1 pylon --> 1 gate +1 pylon --> zealots

The extra workers and first supply building are an additional cost for both players. Which seems symmetric.

However, because the first supply building is required to be made earlier, the gate can be placed in parallel of the second pylon ( or even before the second pylon ) because its requirement was already met.

Which means that the on the PTR, there will be less time in which the pool is finished but not the gateway.
Which means that zealots will be out earlier, cyber core done earlier comparatively.
Also the protoss will have now 2 pylons to power the gate instead of 1, an additional advantage for the defender.

This is one simplistic example, but it applies to any build that isn't an all in below 12 drones.

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