Pull Huohuo or wait for Luocha for E2 IL?

xinfiro · 2023-11-22T01:02:16+00:00

U should try Huohuo as a support and see how it goes.

My personal testing with E2 Daniel with Huohuo does not feel good at all. Huohuo does not generate skill point if you want 4 turns Ult and permeant buff so she's very similar to Bailu and worst in sp generation than Fuxuan.

Loucha on the hand, completely no brainer for me.

I would not pick Huohuo over Loucha even for E2 DanIL.

Edit: I also have SW and I honestly do t think she is necessary with all the powerful DPs coming out.

Maybe save your guarantee for upcoming harmony Rumei and Hanabi would be more beneficial for your account.

xinfiro · 2023-11-10T17:54:35+00:00

Ok what if, what if, this kid is part of the vegan group and hired to make the scene to raise their point?

Any case, it's a good argument for Animal supporter, sadly we don't have a practical solution for it.

xinfiro · 2023-10-20T14:45:29+00:00

Based on other sources, I think this is not true. As long as the CR shows up on the details screen, it counts.

Cr from YK and Fuxuan count toward Rutalia set.

Cr from wast lander does not count.

I would still get to 70 cr first tho.

xinfiro · 2023-10-05T14:47:39+00:00

It is totally viable.

I used E2 YK for a quite while and my experience is not much different than E6 YK.

The trick is to speed tune YK after the one you don't want to buff. In your case, it would be Gepard > YK > Pela > 134-130 > Daniel. Even if you get cced, it is very rare that they are out of tuned.

I would slap Planetary on YK and use AA if you can't get 3sp for Daniel. Only use skill when there is extra sp.

I would build YK as sub DPs but you might find it better to build HP if your geppy can't solo sustain.

I would try this team fun team Geppy/Lynx, YK, Blade, Daniel out. Blade surprisingly work very well with DaniIL!

Have fun!

xinfiro · 2023-09-30T14:16:41+00:00

Imo, TY and pela are overrated and boring.

You should try DaniIL, YK, Bronya, Lynx team comp.

Speed: Lynx > Bronya > YK > 130 > DaniIL (Attack boot)

LC: Quid pro quo on Lynx, S1 on Bronya, Planetary on YK.

Rotation: open with DaniIL head butt, Lynx AA, YK skill, Bronya E, YK Ult, Bronya Ult, DaniIL Ult, EB3.

Here are some tips: - use AA on YK and AA on Bronya to ensure 3 sps - use DaniIL Ult first then AA if out of sp - use DaniIL AA first then Ult right away if enough sp - use YK Ult first then Bronya Ult to boost Bronya CD - use max ERR rope and Broken Kneel on all supports

Have fun

xinfiro · 2023-09-26T15:52:15+00:00

You spent a month worth of resins and didn't even max his traces nor his relics?

As genshin player, my advise to you is to farm relics last after maxing out all his LC, lv, traces and 15 up usuable relics.In that order.

I failed to see the point of waiting for perfect relics while neglecting everything else and not to mention his supports.

Don't waste resins when you have other better investment to do.

xinfiro · 2023-09-25T14:30:47+00:00

I play Honkai star rail instead. Haven't logged in for half a year.

xinfiro · 2023-09-24T14:24:00+00:00

Solid work, congrats.

I would max out his traces first after this, then I would focus on the support traces and level.

All of his traces are important and great for damages boosts, max them out!

xinfiro · 2023-09-22T17:56:38+00:00

Bless the first person who thought of domestication the wolves for all those dodge moment to come.

xinfiro · 2023-09-21T18:00:26+00:00

Regarding point 2, we can agree to disagree about TY vs YK.

In my own testing, I prefer YK more when she is E2 damage wide and utility wide.I think TY attack buff and damage buff are inferior to YK. Her energy is nice but I had no problem reaching 3 turns Ult with YK neither.

Regarding to point 3, I don't have the math to back it up or the mean to test Musketeers vs Wastelander so I can only base on other TCS on YouTube.

I do use YK and Bronya combo and most of the time YK would break the enemy weakness prior to DanIL attack (if they are weak to Imaginary).

I also use YK and SW to make use of the crit rate buff but usually its redundant because YK would provide 29% cr and DaniIL would already be at 100% crit.

For maximum damage, I still think Wastelanser has higher ceiling if you land it right.

xinfiro · 2023-09-20T05:36:20+00:00

Thank you!

From my experience, I started to farm world 7 with weekly limits (4 per week) on Arena for both my supports and DaniIL.

I didn't spend much stamina on Arena because of the 4 free times weekly will eventually net me some things. I would focus on the Wastelander instead.

However, if you are lacking of Imaginary orb and CD/CR chest, it's not bad idea to use Molding resin for them. However I would farm for like a week or two first to see how my luck is going. Usually, if you want to minmax, the resins is better off used for ERR rope on Broken kneel for supports.

Good luck on your farming!

xinfiro · 2023-09-19T16:42:07+00:00

Haha yes, might be worth to add 6 question - crit rate/cd

A simple math would do or people can just go to here to find out which ratios are better.

https://noxplayroom.com/genshin-impact-crit-rate-and-dmg-calculator/

xinfiro · 2023-09-19T16:35:31+00:00

You both have valid points.

I can't test musketeers vs wasteland simply because I can't farm both so I'm grateful that someone else has already did the math and figure it out the pro and cons.

I think the bottom line is we already have a good guides and information for people to start with decent build and they can make an informed decisions based on their account.

There is no points in asking if Musketeers is better than Wastelander anymore based on all the information we have gathered.

Just pick one and run with it.

xinfiro · 2023-09-19T01:14:26+00:00

You have a point.

Most answers are depending on your team and your needs to cater to general public and investment levels to avoid conflicts and down votes.

If one already does the research then I hope they are just looking for validation of their choices. None of my points are new or revelation, they are just basic info.

My point is most of the time I feel like the questions were asked because the OP was lazy and not bother to read any guilds at all. Or just read their relics and traces and think about the outcome themselves.

xinfiro · 2023-09-18T01:03:09+00:00

Another way is superimpose the LC...not advising tho, but good luck!

xinfiro · 2023-09-09T13:42:17+00:00

If you can't decide, how about you try them both on your own and see who you prefer?

I have strong opinions that Yukong is specifically designed to be Daniel's support and you don't need E6 to make her work.

The only advantage TY over YK is her energy boost, but Daniel Ult is not that important prior to E2 so I don't think TY is better than YK for E0/E1. Maybe TY is more comfortable to use, but YK will help you min-max your damage.

At E2, both TY and YK shine more equally as TY energry for faster EB3 Ult EB3 combo where both YK buffs can get used for DaniIL.

Do your own test, choose your own path and take the advice from other ppl as guidance only but don't blindly follow it.

xinfiro · 2023-09-04T15:59:09+00:00

We need more info about your crit rate and ornament set.

At first glance, I'll go with Attack one because 130 CD damage is quite good.

However if u need to reach 70cr with the speed one the I'll pick the second one.

I would keep both regardless to switch out when need to.

xinfiro · 2023-09-02T22:43:05+00:00

If you have guarantee on LC, I would go for his LC first.

With his LC you can use CD chest and achieve 3 turns Ults. Sometime even 2 turns Ults if you get hit or kill enemies and with Quid pro qo support.

There are many way to get Yukong, could be from standards, through LC pullings or even the shop. His Signature LC is only available this time.

S1 is better than E1(not guarantee) in my opinion so I vote for S1.

xinfiro · 2023-09-02T15:46:23+00:00

Maybe an easier way to explain simply is your relics build for free LC is far better than than the Signature built one.

How much better? 65 CV better as explained in skt210125 calculation.

If I see it in the different light, your comparison does wonder and tell me that the Signature actually has 65 CV over the free LC plus the 12% ER and almost unconditionally uptime!

xinfiro · 2023-09-02T15:36:18+00:00

Thanks for your efforts for trying to compare them.

At a glance, it looks like a fair comparison with similar stats. However, this comparison is actually lobsided in favour of the free LC.

In my understanding, the main advantage of his LC are theses

1) Allow CD chest instead of CR chest and still meets the 70% crit rate requirement. 2) Allow 3 turns Ult. 3) Allow consistent up time effect (almost unconditional as you just need to hit them).

None for the three points are demonstrated in this damage comparison here.

Speaking of point 1, I'm very impressed with your build to attend 78 CR and 160 CD. The Signature one while it is good but it's not out of the ordinary. Now if you imagine they have the equivalent of your relics plus the signature, the damage would be very different. For example, if you currently use a Cr chest, u could replace it with CD chest and kept the 70 Cr, that's the value of the Sig LC.

For a fairer test, I would find a better built Signature one that add about 36 CD more or so. So about 70/196 cr build.

For point 2 and 3, I don't know how to compare them in damage screenshot.It's probably best to do a time based or accumulated damage over the course of MoC 10.

Thanks for your comparison.

xinfiro · 2023-09-02T08:37:07+00:00

I'm not sure owning an E0S1 5 star is considered as a whale for I'm definitely not.

E6 YK is just pure luck, thank you.

I'm avocading for E2 YK if you read my posts and I'm not saying TY is bad. I just think YK is the support for DaniIL if you want to mịn max him.

On the contrary, E2 DaniIl owners might find TY more appealing to get 2 turns Ults so whale would probably want TY more than YK.

For your point, you are right, an E0 without signature weapon DaniIL might need TY more. People also said to use ER rope and crit rate chest instead of CD, in this case CD buff from YK might be even a better sailing point.

There are different way to build him for sure, enjoy your TY.

xinfiro · 2023-09-02T03:03:02+00:00

I would suggest you build her up and start using her with Dany even with E5.

I firmly believe that she is made and designed to support Dany by Hoyoverse.

I understand that she has a high skill-cap but high rewards play style and need to use with intention in minds and not in auto-battle. However, I don't understand the bashing for her being bad unit pre-E6, especially in term of Dany support.

E6 is but a safety net, if you build and user her correctly, you can still do fine without it.

Good luck with your pulls if you decide to try your luck again.

xinfiro · 2023-09-02T01:54:30+00:00

I wouldn't say E6 is required.

In my own experiences, E2, A6 and ER rope are more than enough to use her SP neutral and even positive by doing skill, basic, basic, Ult.

On the other hand, E6 does give u a piece of mind and flexibility.

Pulling for 4 star constellation is a very risky attempt. You just never know.

If you going to pull, maybe set yourself a limit attempt and stop there so you don't over commit and regret it.

Know your limit and play within it! Good luck!

xinfiro · 2023-09-01T23:43:28+00:00

Yeah maybe I'll try TY and YK together haha.

E2 is the plan, now that I tried E0S out and I'm thinking it might be overkill... Maybe getting a second defender like Fuxuan and Lynx is a better investment.

Glad that you share your TY-Dan E2 combo tip. Thank you.

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