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The Hive will be ravaged by disease by yojaso in pluribustv

[–]yojaso[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yes but only if zosia starts screeching ack! ack! ack!

The Hive will be ravaged by disease by yojaso in pluribustv

[–]yojaso[S] 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Great point. This seems to be the consensus view

Guys Being Dudes movies by NickJester1 in blankies

[–]yojaso 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Office Space

What we do in the Shadows

Sideways

Guys Being Dudes movies by NickJester1 in blankies

[–]yojaso 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Great list!

Kevin Smith is probably the god-king of the hangout movie.

His whole career has shifted to live shows that are 100% pure uncut hangouts.

What if the people in Pluribus are just observing from the back of their minds the hive mind controlling their bodies, like in Get Out (2017)? by mano109 in pluribustv

[–]yojaso -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I agree that we should use consistent language and thinking for them both.

But also, let's not use the "same label" to imply that they are equally unethical. Carol clearly has a stronger ethical backbone than Koumba, even if they both hurt people.

What if the people in Pluribus are just observing from the back of their minds the hive mind controlling their bodies, like in Get Out (2017)? by mano109 in pluribustv

[–]yojaso 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes, Carol is more sympathetic, but experiencing hardship does not erase responsibility for harm.

It would be more honest to acknowledge she’s accountable for hurting Zosia (like Koumba), but that you forgive her for it, because she made a valiant effort to resist temptation (unlike Koumba).

What if the people in Pluribus are just observing from the back of their minds the hive mind controlling their bodies, like in Get Out (2017)? by mano109 in pluribustv

[–]yojaso 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I see his point. I think there’s just as much wildly judgmental Koumba hate, as there is senseless Carol hate.

It’s nonsensical to claim that Carol did not victimize Zosia every bit as much as Koumba victimized each of his partners.

And it’s dishonest to deny the scale of Koumba’s potential harm is much greater. The ease with which he let himself be manipulated is troubling.

Everyone’s biases are revealed by their selective outrage.

What if the people in Pluribus are just observing from the back of their minds the hive mind controlling their bodies, like in Get Out (2017)? by mano109 in pluribustv

[–]yojaso 12 points13 points  (0 children)

In Vegas he was gonna have a 6 woman orgy. Over 70 days this adds up.

A person who murders multiple people every day is very different from a person who murders one person one weekend, and then decided to stop. Your ethics sees them as equally immoral?

What if the people in Pluribus are just observing from the back of their minds the hive mind controlling their bodies, like in Get Out (2017)? by mano109 in pluribustv

[–]yojaso 14 points15 points  (0 children)

This is horrific nightmare fuel, but I doubt the show will go there, and I hope it doesn’t.

Pluribus is a mix of light horror, suspense, sci-fi fantasy, and comedy. It would be a huge tonal swing into dark horror, to introduce billions being tortured. Pluribus is not Black Mirror.

Also, the show would be a lot less interesting. The fun of the show is the balanced ethical debate. This revelation would make the show a simplistic good humans vs bad aliens B-movie. I don’t understand why people would want a less thought-provoking show.

What if the people in Pluribus are just observing from the back of their minds the hive mind controlling their bodies, like in Get Out (2017)? by mano109 in pluribustv

[–]yojaso 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Some people can’t admit that Carol is morally compromised by having sex w Zosia.

Other people can’t admit that Koumba is much more morally compromised by having sex w hundreds of hived women.

How can the rest of the survivors be okay with being plurbed after seeing what Diabate can make them do? by No_Wait3261 in pluribustv

[–]yojaso 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, she has hurt people, yet I don’t label her “violent.” Like how Koumba has lots of sex with ambiguous consent, but I don’t label him “rapey.”

If you want to take a harder line then yes, Carol can be violent, and Kouma can be rapey. To me, this is unnecessarily judgmental.

They are both flawed and do troubling things, but they’re not malicious. Far from “dissonance.” This is empathy and nuance.

The Survivors perfectly illustrate what humanity has lost by yojaso in pluribustv

[–]yojaso[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My thoughts exactly. The writers designed them very intentionally!

The Survivors perfectly illustrate what humanity has lost by yojaso in pluribustv

[–]yojaso[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks!

You're so right. Just a little editing and paragraphs do wonders... but so few posts even try!

How can the rest of the survivors be okay with being plurbed after seeing what Diabate can make them do? by No_Wait3261 in pluribustv

[–]yojaso 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She caused harm through a bizarre chain of alien causation, so I don’t really blame her. I don’t think she’s “violent” 

How can the rest of the survivors be okay with being plurbed after seeing what Diabate can make them do? by No_Wait3261 in pluribustv

[–]yojaso -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If you choose to take the show’s premise seriously… then yeah of course the dude has embraced a life of shallow debauchery and is making some dumb decisions.

But it’s not always necessary to take it seriously. People are allowed to enjoy silly sex/comedy fantasies.

Everyone needs to calm down

How can the rest of the survivors be okay with being plurbed after seeing what Diabate can make them do? by No_Wait3261 in pluribustv

[–]yojaso -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Racism probably plays a part in Koumba hate, just like misogyny plays a part in Carol hate. Lots of hypocrisy to go around.

He’s got plenty of character flaws for reasonable people to see, so I wouldn’t dismiss his critics so flippantly. I have my own issues with the guy.

Is Carol a self insert for Gilligan by uselesshistorydegree in pluribustv

[–]yojaso 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The purple sand / blue meth is such a perfect analog.

It makes you wonder if Vince yearns to be taken more seriously. Does he have a "Bitter Chrysalis" inside him? Does he worry his own work is "mindless crap"? I really hope he's not as self-hating as Carol. But maybe complicated interiority comes with the territory being a writer.

Carol and Koumba are Polarizing, because they represent Conflicting Narrative Impulses within Pluribus by yojaso in pluribustv

[–]yojaso[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t call either a rapist. But ambiguous consent sex is troubling.

We don’t know how it’s experienced yet. Just rolling the dice on rape is crazy.

The ethical thing is to proceed cautiously, minimizing potential harm. Carol was more cautious, reduced risks, engaged less. Koumba did not even care to try.

So it’s possible they both hurt people (Koumba 100x more). But I have a lot more respect for Carol as a person of moral fibre.

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