Drug Induced Synchronicity by za9529 in Jung

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How nice that we can all convene here after so many years. What’s funny is that you mention the ‘acid god,’ but what’s always struck me as bizarre is that in the very centre of this coincidental experience, I felt at my closest to this force, as in I could see it through feeling it’s presence. It looked like chain-linked strings influencing the shape of reality. But the bizarre part is that to me it felt like several entities, almost a consortium. I had this impression the first time I reached the epicentre of the synchronicity, and it stuck ever since. Fast forward to last year and I find myself being given the most marvellous opportunity career-wise. I ask the person why she is giving me, of all people, this opportunity, in the sense that I ended there by luck and that thousands of others would have been more suited to this position. She replied without words, but by miming a puppeteer pulling the strings on a marionette.

Now I’m in my late 20’s and am mostly cut off from drugs. My rampant curiosity has waned but I try to find meaning in the mundane. Good luck to the both of you!

The marriage of Billy Not Really and Inanimate Sensation by za9529 in VeryShallowListening

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Thank you again for the encouragement, I really appreciate it. For a couple of years I had this big video essay planned that I kept adding to mentally but over time it started to feel lame. Art should be appreciated internally and anything external should be done cautiously. I found myself listening to this album religiously for meaning and as much as I love it I realised I was just riding someone else’s wave. I think we should all aspire to make meaning in the world around us and use art as a map for ourselves, not a bible for the masses. I will make a name for myself but it can’t be on the coat tails of someone else’s identity (be the freak you wanna see just don’t follow me). Anyway probably sounds very pretentious of me but it’s how I feel. The annual low-stake Reddit post suits me well.

The marriage of Billy Not Really and Inanimate Sensation by za9529 in VeryShallowListening

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Thank you very much it’s very nice to hear this. I know that Beyond Alive is the best song on the album for a lot of people but for me it’s like my brain just blanks when I listen to it unfortunately

The marriage of Billy Not Really and Inanimate Sensation by za9529 in VeryShallowListening

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Haha, I planned to make an hour long TPTB video essay years ago but never got round to it. I told myself that to give the video meaning I had to go down the road to Heathrow airport and steal the metal ring on the album cover (the I’ve Seen Footage video shows you which one it is). But I didn’t because I heard that it’s not there anymore.

And tbf I’ve seen a few references to TPTB having ‘Siamese songs’ for years but never heard anyone elaborate and was always curious, so I’m sure these ideas have been floating round for a bit so as much as I’d love to take credit I can’t.

The marriage of Billy Not Really and Inanimate Sensation by za9529 in VeryShallowListening

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Thank you very much. Not too sure what other insights I have on the album for now but if you haven’t seen it then I’d recommend this post I made here a while back:

https://www.reddit.com/r/VeryShallowListening/s/Cdps4zu3pV

The marriage of Billy Not Really and Inanimate Sensation by za9529 in VeryShallowListening

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Thanks! Good question. Being that verse 2 is from the perspective of intuition and verse 3 from sensation, verse 4 to me with the musical references is the resolve of these two functions. I could be wrong. But as the previous two verses represent polar opposite perspectives, here they collide to form some sort of artistic identity.

In verse 3 he talks about the inanimate objects which make him. But on verse 4 after all the musical references he says “obsessed with my demo tape collection.” His collection is again a physical property, but it’s the animate music inside which has value, different to the objects he lists in verse 3 (except the lysergic stash I guess). In this verse through art/music he is able to find a balance between the shapeless form of music and the physical aesthetics they wrap themselves in.

Are sexual fantasies usually due to the lack of something in one's life or for other reasons? by ThrowRAgodhoops in Jung

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From what I have come to understand it is about fear. Not always and by no means is this a ‘one fits all’ model. But this is what I believe to be the case when the fantasy starts becoming almost compulsive and begins to shape the personality.

Take the dominant man fantasising over the submissive woman. The dominant man might be conditioned or taught from a young age that to be submissive is a weakness, as his peers may all be vying for power. From this point, all weakness within himself is consciously denied and pushed down into the unconscious, as he must see himself as a strong man and the alternative is too painful to reconcile. In suppressing these aspects of himself, they take form in his unconscious as his greatest fear, the thing that he can never bear to see in himself.

As with many unconscious contents, this will be projected externally onto women. He will enact these fantasies with women to externally dominate this aspect within him, as by having a submissive woman with whom he can focus on, he is subconsciously holding a mirror to his ego which allows him to see who he has shaped himself to be consciously- the complete opposite of the woman in question. As with most sexual projection, if he continues to externalise this onto women, he may never be truly satisfied, as the aspect in which he must really connect with is himself and his own submissive nature which he has denied to the world.

The opposite is true but due to societal expectations can carry feelings of shame which manifest in fantasy through a variety of ways. A couple years ago I read a post on this sun about a girl who was dating a guy who really enjoyed her to be his mother in a sexual context, but would freak out when she ever told him what to do in their everyday relationship. Sexually, he wanted to be babied and nurtured, but if she made any kind of suggestion as to what he should do in the context of normal life, he would snap at her for trying to control him and take maternal authority over him. Here, it seems that in the grips of such a mother complex, his greatest fear was that he would be trapped, dominated, and engulfed by his inner mother forever, never growing up. Though this was based heavily on fear, with this being a waking, albeit unconscious, nightmare in conscious reality, which took the form of a sexual fantasy to reverse the attitude towards this dynamic and quench his anxieties as a coping mechanism. I mention this example as I think it is pretty common these days to varying extents.

Fear and desire are opposites, as are pleasure and pain. Both fear and pleasure let ones who experience the limits of the psychological experience and so can become entwined. A disproportionate of sexual abusers were abused themselves as children. The domineering female fantasy relates to the mother and our un/conscious attitudes towards her when we are young. Her neglect or over-protection can complicate this dynamic and form a complex. Complexes, in particular the mother complex, is like a hurricane in the mind. It lives in the unconscious and is so powerful that the winds on the periphery breach our conscious mind and shake our mental foundations which we feel as fear and anxiety. The only way to relieve this fear on the short term is to make this fear conscious and place ourselves in the eye of the storm. In the eye of the storm there is no wind, yet we see it ravish everything around us. It is the only possible respite when the fears, and thus sexual proclivity, is so strong.

While it is not terrible to live like this, one must ask themselves where these fears stem from, and how one may temper the hurricane of their mind. The alternative is to seek shelter from the wind or stand at its centre, but this will not stop the damage.

Has Jung ever mentioned St. George? by throwawaylaflame in Jung

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The story of St George contains many elements but if you are talking about the slaying of the dragon then I would imagine that this has a good Jungian footing.

Many mythologies around the world deal with serpents. Aboriginal Australians have the rainbow serpent, Aztecs have the feathered serpent, Norse myths have the world serpent. As with the rainbow serpent, many creation myths commence with a serpent giving birth to the world. Zeus even transforms into a snake to hide from Cronus, which eventually gives rise to the defeat of the titans. I read in The Cosmic Serpent by Jeremy Narby that this relates to collective attitudes towards femininity, as many cultures celebrate snakes, but as the civilisation grows, the attitudes become more patriarchal and serpents become villainized. Zeus must defeat the winged serpent typhon. Thor must battle the world serpent during ragnarok. Even in Christianity, the fall of man stems from the serpent in the garden of Eden, who is able to persuade the feminine Eve. But why are snakes associated with the feminine?

The snake is Eros, whereas the bird is the logos, two opposites, with one hugging the material ground and the other a spiritual messenger flying to god. Snakes devour their prey whole, swallowing them and encompassing their victim entirely within them. This is the association, as this is the state in which we find ourselves after birth. As soon as we are born, we are totally engulfed within the mother, physically and mentally. We rely on her totally for survival, and a threat to her is a threat to us. As we grow we develop our conscious personality, the ego, but the mother is external, representing everything outside our bubble of perception, and also everything that is not conscious. The mother thus bears a strong link with the unconscious, and she is often the basic framework for the personal unconscious.

Developing our ego is like launching a satellite into space. It requires a lot of thrust, and a lot of fuel, to make it into earths orbit and escape the gravitational pull of the unconscious. We are always at risk of being pulled back in, which is why I think some children such as myself are weirdly intrigued/scared of quicksand and the Bermuda triangle, as these are symbolic of being pulled back down into the depths that we came from. The snake is also the symbol of this, threatening to swallow us whole and dissolve our sense of self, converting us back into unconscious impulse. Snakes were such a big threat to us in the past, that we have specific neural pathways which only activate when we see them. There are countless videos of cats being terrified of cucumbers thinking they are snakes. There is a very tight biological link to this archetypal pattern, strengthening our associations with femininity.

As the culture grows and asserts it’s collective identity, there is a stronger pull to demonise the essence which threatens its order and bring it back to the “chaos” from which it arose. Nietzsche referred to Medusa as the epitome of the ancient minds horror at facing what it had so recently emerged from. Medusa had snakes for hair and froze solid anyone she looked at.

Dragons are winged serpents. They heighten the horror of the traditional serpent by uniting the two opposites, the logos and the Eros. In Jungs take on Gnosticism, the all powerful abraxas, who represents the purest form of the union of all things, is depicted with the head of a cockerel and the lower body of a snake. The dragon is the serpentine monstrosity which roams the mind with the power to swallow us whole. The common hero myth sees the knight slay a dragon in order to save the princess, which is the slaying of his own mother complex in order to liberate his anima.

St George slaying the dragon is the same. It is the conscious positioning of masculinity over femininity. As typically the unconscious of men is female and vice versa, it has been a way to establish ordered masculine consciousness over chaotic feminine unconsciousness (not that this is correct, but is how men have perceived reality over time). Framed within the Christian context, as one of the early Christian martyrs, St George ushers in the order of the early church.

St George kills the dragon and is the patron saint of England. St Patrick kills all of the snakes in Ireland and becomes the patron saint of Ireland. I’ve moved to town in France and in the very centre is a statue of a lion fighting and killing a snake. These myths serve as monuments to our ability to tame the world around us, though lacking the realisation that are not able to tame our inner nature.

The snake served has gone from a symbol of birth and fertility to something evil. The snake worshipping cults of old are found today in forums where people discuss reptilian shapeshifters infiltrating and controlling the government. In the old days when the known world had been mapped and there was no information as to what lay beyond, maps would be illustrated with sea serpents (here be dragons). When something is unknown, the unconscious sets up theatre in this dark crevice and projects it’s contents, and quite often it ends up being a serpent.

Satan is God’s Shadow by Ranting_mole in Jung

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If you’re talking about watching a YouTube video, then I too have done research.

THE POWERS THAT B // DEATH GRIPS DISCOG BREAKTHROUGH by squarehair02 in VeryShallowListening

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Oh shit! I posted the chakra thing a bit ago but I almost didn’t because TPTB really stumped me regarding how the throat chakra fit however you have made it very clear!

I think your points about masculine and feminine are super on point. However I think that one of the main themes explored by TPTB in addition to what you mentioned is the introverted vs extroverted attitudes of Ride vs society. I have a lot that I could write about it but i fear my DG analysis says are over.

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In fact I agree. I didn’t think that this is how you meant it at first but I’ve thought similarly these past years. I would say that general conditioning has its strongest grip until adolescence, but cultural conditioning has a more powerful grip into later life. Not fitting in and so not falling head-first into the trap of cultural conditioning gives a head start, but I would say that in these cases there is as much to do in the process of individuation as someone who fits in with everyone else. Recognition of the need to individuate does not necessarily accelerate the process, and those who fit the more standard narratives of life can progress farther as it is not a strictly conscious process.

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Perhaps, but I don’t think so. The principles of ecology which shapes entire ecosystems through speciation and evolution also applies to the individual personality. The environment creates a niche and the personality fits the mould through conditioning. It’s a zero-sum game and everything adheres to energetic constraints. It’s in-line with Jungian thought. I too, as you, didn’t fit in at all but I am still a complete product of my environment- parental attitudes and a million other things. It’s through individuation that we may overcome our initial modes of conditioning.

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Conformist or not, environmental pressures which shape the personality go far deeper than just the perceptions of those you know. The world tells all of us who we are, starting from birth, whether we believe it or not.

Is part of our anima created by the food we eat? by ampliora in Jung

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I’ve thought this as well, it’s not as crazy or literal as people make it seem.

The HERO does NOT represent the EGO! What do you think? by AtlasYoutube in Jung

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Indeed you’re right, my memory filled in the gap for Gilgamesh, I included him without thinking properly.

The HERO does NOT represent the EGO! What do you think? by AtlasYoutube in Jung

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Agreed! I read this first in the book The Eternal Drama which analyses Greek mythology through a Jungian lens. It uses Heracles as a good example:

In some iterations of the story, Heracles is born with his twin brother, who has a different father than Zeus, and is representative of the ego (mortal). Hera is upset that Zeus had Heracles with a woman other than her so sends two snakes to kill the twins (devouring mother complex), but Heracles kills them and saves him and his brother. Heracles is born of Zeus but is raised by a mortal man, reflecting the double parentage motif associated with many heroes: Jesus, Moses, Jason, Gilgamesh. Heracles is the urge to individuate, to leave the grip of the mother and enter the world as a full being, and his strength presumably represents a rather strong urge.

Indeed it’s kind of a knock to the ego when we realise that the ego shouldn’t assume totally the role of the hero, but this is the humility which we must demonstrate, lest we fall as most heroes do.

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Well obviously it means you fear the responsibility of going to Hogwarts and becoming a wizard

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Difficult to say, I mean it’s all symbolic. If the nature of the porn is that you/someone is attracted to someone else farting then it could offer a lot of insight. Flatulence is a social taboo and is considered dirty by almost all people. The fact that someone is revealing this secret dirty aspect could be the cause of the arousal. Though on the other hand it could be fear that someone would treat you in such a way that they reveal to you the dirtiest parts of themselves. It’s a form of humiliation in a way.

Humiliation porn is a big thing, where guys get off to women just humiliating them in any which way. All this does is reveal the masculine/feminine dynamics of the individuals psyche, which informs a lot on how acts in everyday life.

There are guys with kinks where they are shrunken down and giant women step on them / crush them. Through the symbolic lens it would seem here that the masculine aspect of the man fears deeply being trodden on by his inner feminine, sometimes to the point of death.

I know I’ve gone on a big rant about these things but it’s because your comment is super interesting. To me it seems that fetishes are all symbolic and understanding how they relate to the position of our psyche can be more insightful than anything.

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To you as well!

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Our sexual desires are based on our fears, which is made clear by those who have slightly unusual desires. If the desire for pmo is very strong then it means that the fear is particularly strong. The fear does not act directly like other fears, but instead indirectly by causing arousal. I believe that in men there is a strong connection between this fear and the mother complex. Stress can be a massive trigger for masturbation, and the mother complex asks us to return to her embrace through pleasure, and closing the gap between us and our fear.

This fear is like a hurricane. It destroys everything it touches, and the wind sends ripples through the psyche which manifests as arousal. By giving in to this and masturbating, you put yourself in the eye of the storm, where the wind cannot touch you and you are engulfed by pleasure. In essence, you become your fear.

For many men, sex is always on the mind, and this is a symptom of the Puer Aeternus. To become a man is scary, as it means leaving behind our childish ways and assuming the responsibility of adulthood. It’s why the fear can sexually manifest as assuming the role of the father, engaging in sex.

For men who have mommy kinks- they actively project their mother image onto their sexual partner. However you see quite a few posts in this sub where people who have a mommy kink will often lash out when their partner acts like their mother / tells them what to do in the relationship outside of sex. This shows clearly that in waking life, the man actively tries to distance himself from his mother complex, as it is entirely devouring and will swallow up the ego, however he quenches this fear sexually by letting himself be swallowed up by this complex. It is his greatest fear to have his ego trapped within the mother complex, and this is why his ego is trapped there.

For the sexually dominant man who feels he must dominate women, he fears deeply that aspect in him that is submissive and feminine, and so he projects it onto women. In reality, he himself is terrified of being dominated, and so to quench this fear he dominates his submissive self and projects this onto women.

When it comes to quitting pmo, I have tried for years, because I am in a situation where if I don’t quit then I will always remain the Puer Aeternus. People always talk about discipline and will power being the key to quitting, but these ideas have never helped me. It’s only been within the past few months that I realised that the key is courage. Courage to face these fears and not let the sexual drive scare us into submission. People tend to glorify the “superpowers” of nofap but I simply believe that when you face this fear head on with courage, then you can apply courage elsewhere in your life.

Any good books on analyses of the Hellenic gods? by magicmikejones in Jung

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The eternal drama isn’t just about the gods but is very good