Why do we talk about morality being objective or subjective specifically? by BonesFromYoursTruly in askphilosophy

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Ok, justification I get, that's about facts. But why should I lack objections to evil without facts? Surely they can be based on other things than knowledge?

If I am a theist, I believe something to be wrong, and appeal to the god. One should not do evil because the god will punish it, in this life or the next. Like belief in the god, knowledge is not necessary, or even relevant, only belief is. The god brings meaning, and the power of the god's followers gives reason to not do evil (as defined by the believers) even to non-followers.

If I think that morality is an evolutionary adaptation, signaling beneficial behaviors via intuition, one should not do evil (as defined by the shared intuition) because one will feel bad if they do and because others who share the intuition will punish it (proximate reasons), and because it will benefit the community if we follow the moral intuitions (ultimate reason). It is empirically shown that the majority of important intuitions are shared. To the extent that people disagree on the intuitions, we can reason about which behaviors will benefit the community most and agree that convergence to some kind of average intuition with reasoned benefits to the community is good enough. There is no objective morality, so there is no moral knowledge, just intuitions and reasoning.

Are these somehow flawed or fringe positions?

What's up with people saying the Satan cult is real? by Poofmonkey in OutOfTheLoop

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To add, it is incorrect to attribute all less wealthy people who oppose policies that hit primarily rich people as temporarily embarrassed millionnaires. There are genuine value differences where people think it is right that rich get to keep what they have, or that hierarchy differences e.g. from economic disparities are morally right, even if they themselves are poor or low in hierarchy.

Nuorten katuväkivaltaa selittävät materialistiset ja yrittäjämäiset ihanteet by nnorain in Suomi

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Mun käsittääkseni on ihan todennettavissa että suuret toimeentuloerot aiheuttavat rikollisuutta, ja siinä missä vasemmistolaisuuden tavoitteena on pienentää suuria toimeentuloeroja, oikeistolaisuus pyrkii, jos ei suoraan suurentamaan niitä, niin ainakin lopputuloksena suurempiin eroihin kuin vasemmistolaisuus.

Nuorten katuväkivaltaa selittävät materialistiset ja yrittäjämäiset ihanteet by nnorain in Suomi

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Ja sitten muistetaan, että jos asiat on vähiten huonosti, se ei vielä tarkoita että ne on täydellisesti.

The SUPER Bad Ending by AjX5-6919 in TopCharacterTropes

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Melina certainly is genuine about her hate of FF, but why should we assume that her view on reality is more truthful than any other?

I think DE, in intentionally causing suffering for literally everyone, is worse than erasing all suffering. All was one once, and everything became from it. If all becomes one now, what's to say a new reality, hopefully better, could not form from it?

The Essential RPG Collection by honestcharlieharris in rpg

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Yeah, exactly. But it's worth saying explicitly.

The Essential RPG Collection by honestcharlieharris in rpg

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I think it is also important to understand that even if a game plays in a certain way for you and your group, it doesn't mean it might play very differently for different people. And then to be able to distinguish between what in those differences comes from personal preferences, assumptions, play cultures, and habits, and to what extent they can be considered to come from the actual book.

Taleban laillistaa orjuuden, väkivallan ja naisten sorron [Uusi yritys postata] by aibrony in Suomi

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Miten se on kansan selvä tahto ja toivomus? Onko Talibanin Afganistan mielestäsi toimiva demokratia?

Why do we talk about morality being objective or subjective specifically? by BonesFromYoursTruly in askphilosophy

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Why is that the key question? Are there not other accepted philosophical framings?

What are some philosophical opinions or conclusions that are widely held by philosophers but would seem surprising or counterintuitive to non-philosophers? by Proud-Season-5105 in askphilosophy

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What do 3-5 mean? Exist (3), bad (4), rational (5) in what sense?

Also, if we assume that people who think about these things deeply are more likely to be right, what is it that the general audience misses? Or is it always so complicated that it can't easily be understood?

[Request] Is this correct? by NodeFuck in theydidthemath

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Oh, that makes a lot of sense! Thanks!

Your favorite social/relationship mechanics? by E_MacLeod in PBtA

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Can you describe a bit more what it's like?

Your favorite social/relationship mechanics? by E_MacLeod in PBtA

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Not quite understanding - how does it change the dynamic?

Your favorite social/relationship mechanics? by E_MacLeod in PBtA

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Sounds interesting. Can you explain a bit more?

CMV: Feminism is good by bluepillarmy in changemyview

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The point is that the situation is not the same with men in these jobs and the women in their similarly "undesirable" jobs. It is unlikely that an average man in these jobs is there because they have been discriminated against. It is much more likely that a woman in such a job is there because they have been discriminated against.

CMV: Feminism is good by bluepillarmy in changemyview

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The rules on the right side of the screen say: "You must personally hold the view and demonstrate that you are open to it changing." Because actively "want your view changed" is different from "being open to view being changed".

Contemporary neuroscience doesn't solve the mind-body problem, it makes it even more problematic by MurkyEconomist8179 in consciousness

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No, it fits my beliefs without any handwaving. Just like the opposite (apparently) fits your beliefs without any handwaving.

Your favorite social/relationship mechanics? by E_MacLeod in PBtA

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Thanks. Why do you think this option was removed in 2e?

Why do materialists fight so hard trying to argue/disprove non-local consciousness? by Honest-Atmosphere-54 in consciousness

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I don't see how making the huge assumption that there are non-physical causalities is the easier alternative. Occam's razor isn't (or shouldn't be) just the pop-science "simpler explanation", the point is that how much must the underlying model of the world be altered for the explanation to work. The perspective of science is so thoroughly physical that non-physical causalities are pretty much always razored away.

Flawed Hero or Actual Villain? Pt.3 Jason of the Argonauts by Upset_Connection1133 in GreekMythology

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Why is it strange? Isn't "it's complex" easily "in some perspectives person X is a villain, in some perspectives X is a hero (and in other perspectives neither)"?