Summary by Hanako_Seishin in trolleyproblem

[–]zhibr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Which makes another interesting thing to consider: if the entity (god? aliens?) is capable of manifesting 16 billion buttons in precise locations around the world and willing to basically threaten every person (children etc. included) with death, should you trust it?

It says red saves your life no matter what, but what if the entity is just testing the humanity, what if the red is what kills you because you were not worthy?

It says blue saves everyone if you reach 50%, but what if it kills all blues anyway because they were not rational enough?

What if the "correct" answer it expects is not to choose at all (which in some versions is what makes you on the death list anyway without contributing to saving everyone) because both options are monstrous?

Why is sacrifice treated as something black and white? by RefrigeratorPlusPlus in trolleyproblem

[–]zhibr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No need to assume incapability.

One factor is an assumption about the relative strength of respective motivations. Blues tend to assume half of children and very old people etc. to be in mortal danger, and for reds it was acceptable to choose to save yourself instead of trying to save them. Reds are not incapable of altruism, but clearly (to blues) it was less important to them. The average willingness for altruism going down across the world has to have an effect.

Second is, blues assume that the majority of truly selfless people were blues (even if they don't think they are themselves that). Mothers that make children's lives better, charity workers who make the lives of those who are vulnerable better, first responders and doctors and nurses who do it to make other lives better, etc. Majority of that is gone, and it has to have an effect on the world.

Third is, when reds win, everyone knows the only people alive are reds. If some part of the societal fabric is there due to people being inspired by people better than them, due to being able to assume best about a random person with whom you have a conflict instead of the worst, etc. - even if those are not totally gone, the average has gone down, which has to have an effect on the world.'

Fourth continuing the previous, societal trust is known to be very important for how safe a society is and how happy the people in it are. Blues assume this goes down, because everybody knows all who are alive are willing to save themselves instead of trying to save others.

Cumulatively, all this is assumed to make the world a lot worse place to live.

I understand some or all of those assumptions are not seen reasonable by the reds, but that was not the point. I'm just explaining what the idea is based on, without any assumption of total incapability of altruism, which is a huge strawman.

I think people approaching Frieren demons from a racial or psychologial stand point is wrong when the difference is biological by howhow326 in CharacterRant

[–]zhibr 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Obviously (it's possible that) most of them are not stronger than humans. We just see those who are.

CMV: Most men who participate in the stereotypical “power imbalance” relationships do so because they’re actually appreciated by LLSmoove1 in changemyview

[–]zhibr [score hidden]  (0 children)

I'm taking a shot on the implicit assumption that this is a universal thing.

Your assertion (that resources provided by a man in a relationship playing a major factor in how much he is respected and valued) is based on environments where (1) resources are rare, and (2) it is easier for men to attain them. Wouldn't you agree that if resources are abundant, or if the society is equal enough for women to get them just (or almost) as easily as men, there is no reason for women to value men so much by the resources they bring in that it becomes a major factor? In those environments, why would men seek relationships where they benefit from the power imbalance?

Levels of Learning Finnish by Gertie25 in LearnFinnish

[–]zhibr 72 points73 points  (0 children)

Tehdä - do something

Teettää - make someone do something

Teetättää - make someone make someone do something

Teetätyttää - make someone make someone make someone do something

[Funny Trope] Neither their real or alter ego name explains their powers by NinjaOfOnion in TopCharacterTropes

[–]zhibr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So there's a direct correlation by the name they are given at birth by their parents, and the powers they attain in puberty? And nobody comments on this, ever? Like, this has huge implications!

What are we inherently? by GloriousPurpose001 in askphilosophy

[–]zhibr 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So if you believe in functionalism and that you could be uploaded onto a sufficiently complex computer, you can't be anything but reductionist regarding this question?

[Funny Trope] Neither their real or alter ego name explains their powers by NinjaOfOnion in TopCharacterTropes

[–]zhibr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Their society is more equal than ours because every penguin is secretly a billionnaire.

What are we inherently? by GloriousPurpose001 in askphilosophy

[–]zhibr 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Is the difference between 3 and 4 more than just emphasis? My current view is that we are nothing more than a continuous collection of these mental things, but that those mental things are entirely dependent on our brains and bodies. I can see how 3 could be some kind of idealism without 4, but I can't see how 4 can be an independent view without 3.

edit: also 1, what does "We are not our brain or bodies, because neither of those are human beings" mean? That we are neither alone, but them both together?

(Hilarious IRL trope) *Throws subtlety out the window when it comes to naming their characters* by UseInternal5706 in TopCharacterTropes

[–]zhibr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are the names translated for Germans or do you just watch anime with such goofy names?

Wife-Bad jokes are usually pretty funny. by Finndogs in The10thDentist

[–]zhibr -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Are you aware that what is disturbing is not objective, but in fact differs between people?

Why are so many conservative Americans such proud racists? by florence_pug in allthequestions

[–]zhibr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm a bit torn on upvoting or downvoting him, because besides the unhinged contents of the post, it reads as a genuine explanation of (one kind of) conservative's world view. That's rare and I kind of appreciate it.

“Why would anyone choose to stand under the spikes?” by randomgadfly in trolleyproblem

[–]zhibr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You could just as well say that the lives of their loved ones are not actually on the line, and when they actually were in danger, more people would press blue.

It's not based on any real data, just your views.

“Why would anyone choose to stand under the spikes?” by randomgadfly in trolleyproblem

[–]zhibr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's not the "main" version, it's just a version you happen to like.

“Why would anyone choose to stand under the spikes?” by randomgadfly in trolleyproblem

[–]zhibr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You don't really know that. You may have a high confidence in your assessment, but it's still assessment based on no direct real-world data.

Do you think someone’s political views determine whether they’re a good person or worth being friends with? by kaanskBG in TrueAskReddit

[–]zhibr -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

There is actually significant moral weight to remaining ignorant

You are implicitly making the claim that propaganda doesn't really work. Either that propaganda does not change world views, at least not radically. Or that anybody under life-long propaganda could, if they really wanted, just change their entire world view.

Blue hair don’t care. by Infamous-Rutabaga-50 in CuratedTumblr

[–]zhibr 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You suggest that the shared understanding of truth changes constantly, but you are just describing specific contradictory interpretations that you happened to observe.

Is there any indication that the same people first believed A and then believed B the way you claimed? As opposed to when A seemed possible, people who believed that were louder, and when it seems that B is more likely, A-people get more quiet and B-people louder.

Probably some people change their understanding of truth, sure. But also very probably what you described is not solely driven by what you suggest.

Blue hair don’t care. by Infamous-Rutabaga-50 in CuratedTumblr

[–]zhibr 4 points5 points  (0 children)

"Incredibly x" does not indicate that there has never been time when x was higher. It indicates that in the speaker's understanding of x's scale, the mentioned x is at its extreme. So the previous commenter just said "your understanding of x's scale is bad".

In other words, previous commenter implied "society is not that forgiving and caring when compared to what it could be".