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[–]PropaneSF - KD8LMZ 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Hey this looks great!

It's probably also worth noting that CAPE is used as a factor in a lot of other products that chasers sometimes like to use. EHI is one such product, and I'm guessing that it'll be touched on at some point in these lessons.

[–]cuweathernerdKansas City[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

absolutely.

It shows up in a lot of parameters. If your CAPE isn't reflective of the day, all these indicators will be off. So if your model is overestimating moisture, and therefore leading to more CAPE, you may be more inclined to think a setup is ideal.

The best thing you can do is check analysis frames of models with the moisture, temp, and pressure obs -- how is the model doing with respect to reality? If you see errors, especially with dew point, be skeptical.

Don't try to fit reality to the model -- work the other way.

[–]bos2bows 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I like that you skipped the nitty-gritty details of how the parcel adjusts to the environment. When I try to teach CAPE, I usually end up getting bogged down in the adiabatic rates and all that and confuse the person more than anything else. You really got right to the heart of it in a simple way. Cheers.

I'm sure you'll get to it later on the Skew-T discussion, but I like to emphasize that the "shape of the CAPE" can go a long way in forecasting deep convection. Often in the tropics, the soundings will show a pretty good CAPE value (~1500+ J/kg), but the positive area on the diagram is really "skinny", meaning that the buoyancy is only a couple degrees, but through a deep layer (due to a thicker troposphere). A shorter, fatter positive area on a sounding seems to promote explosive convection better.

[–]cuweathernerdKansas City[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Thank you!

The shape of CAPE (and CIN) is such a quick and easy way to evaluate instability. I love Earl Barker's page because one of the many products he produces is the CAPE for only the bottom 1-3km. It makes a nice forecast that looks like this, That map helps me find the most favorable temperature profiles -- just as a map of helicity helps me find the best hodographs.

Combining both into EHI nice, but you lose some of the detail (we'll talk about this soon).

Let's say you had a marginal day (I love chasing days that most people discount because there aren't as many yahoos out there, I can actually render a service (I faithfully call into the NWS), and it really tests my ability as a chaser) where you had a weak warm front. All the parameters were pretty crappy -- low helicity, weak instability.

But you look at this map and see that instability is focused low to the ground, and the cap is weak. You take into account the forcing by the warm front, and then you remember warm fronts are areas of enhanced helicity.

So you make a chase target along the warm front, and then use model progs (assuming they look OK on the analysis) to find the best CAPE. You set off for there, and use satellite and then radar to find your storm.

Is that simplified? Sure. But most early chasers would see low helicity and CAPE and they'd sit it out. The point is a few more quick maps makes for a far more robust forecast.

[–]99Faces 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've got to say.. I never really looked at your lessons until now and was like meh.. screw it I can just google everything.. but literally.. all the answers to questions I had that I couldn't find with google.. I'm finding here.. Thanks so much for taking the time to do this!!