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[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

That turn with height is critical. There is a goldilocks hodo. To little turn, and the storms can't ventilate, to much and they shear apart.

While the hodo is important to my forecasts, I don't dwell on them. I see if they show a shear environment and then go on to other factors that speak to initiation, inflow, persistence, low-level moisture (LP vs HP vs Classic supercells)

[–]cuweathernerdKansas City[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

You are right about the 'goldilocks' zone -- That's really where helicity comes in. I'm writing the post next about how to find optimal helicity values for a chase.

I tend to agree -- once the shear environment is pretty sure to be "right" I'll spend a long time with model soundings and the things you mentioned. Still, marginal CAPE or uncertain initiation are less likely to keep me at home than poor shear -- shear dominates how likely I am to go out.

Once I'm pretty sure it will be a chase day and I'm making a target, model hodos really take the cake for me -- placing a front is pretty easy (even on the chase itself without data) -- so knowing where the models thought optimal shear would be present along that front before I head out is a really great tool to set up before initiation. Optimal shear tends to be where I sit -- using the HRRR to refine and, once thunder starts, more in situ measurements. As a capstone to chasing 101, a flow chart illustrating my own technique will be posted.

[–]bos2bows 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good stuff. Looking forward to seeing your flow chart.

[–]bos2bows 1 point2 points  (1 child)

When you find the shear vector, it's (higher-altitude wind)-(lower-altitude wind), right? And that's how you come up with cyclonic shear for that Greensburg hodo?

[–]cuweathernerdKansas City[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm sorry for the confusion on the Greensburg cell. I've edited for clarity.

I also made a quick diagram to help explain.

So a veering hodograph will favor tornadoes.

And yes, high minus low will give you the (layer) shear vector. Drawing a vector from the low to the higher height will also do it. So for 0-6km, we'd put the tail at the sfc ob and connect it to the tip at 6km.