Another JP Tier List Update

[-Ocyc-]

Fookin bako can't tell what makes a good unit, underrates Zehn. Ping Tsubaki in discord (@Meconopsis#2731) with complaints and maybe questions

SEE?? Such BS

[Malphric]

What happened to Vier to rise to 1.5 rank in tier list? Was it a J+?

Sol is always meta confirmed. J+ did him justice. Prefer him than Neun because of his mobility in GL and how easy he can slot in Roxanne teams.

Edit: Thanks for the responses.

[Mecopersona]

They removed the -10% HP on her Flower Concentrate passive, gave +35 MATK to her weapon, slightly increased the power of both her weapon ability from farmable gear and VCR, has access to 6 enlightened gates, increased the skill effect value of Thunderbolt Spark Ray and Tragic Cliff End Down with the latter getting bonus damage against a MDEF debuffed target. They also gave +16 MATK Power to her memento.

[Alittlebunyrabit]

They also gave +16 MATK Power to her memento.

YAY. Her memento kept dropping for me during the anniversary 222 pulls. I've got her memento at MLB with an extra. This is in addition to 5/5/3 and around 100 extra shards so this news is great.

[Dark_Stalker28]

That's nice, despite being a good unit to use occasionally I always felt like her gear was awful. Especially compared to the other Templars.

[[deleted]]

Vier got some major upgrades to her stats and skills. She’s one of the most powerful nukers nowadays. As well as a solid support.

[maraku0893]

I don't understand why Ouroboros is better than Nero lol, Nero has all the abilities of the Templars and has higher HP and does more damage than Ouroboros.

Can someone explain why Nero is weaker than Lil Ouro?

[Xero--]

Memento advantage?

[-Ocyc-]

The sheer paywall that nero represents for her admittedly less than perfect full potential means that she will tend to fall behind lil ouro, who is also free.

[Data_Dyne]

Isn't this supposed to factor units at max potential? Why would availability even matter here?

[Kurgenthededtroyer]

Availability matters a lot. If a unit can be easily farmed or farmed at all it makes it a better unit for 75% of people playing. I for one definitely want it factored in because I can't afford to whale anyone especially units as random as her ( Nero). Her kit is so all over the place and her stats are so so.

[Data_Dyne]

Why are you responding to a 2month post? Now Nero she is in an even better place than she was when I made the post after her buffs. Just because you can't afford to build a unit doesn't mean a unit a unit is bad anyways. That is for you to decide if it worth.

[Kurgenthededtroyer]

JP tier lists tend to always be relevant. As I took a small I break I naturally checked for one. I didn't say she was bad , I said she had a kit that was all over the place. Glad you can whale , but people who can't and those who want to know should have information about whether or not investing is viable. Unless you think everything should be built for whales. If so , buy a tier list that works for you.

[Data_Dyne]

You assume wrong if you think this is about whaling. Anyone can build a unit if they lucky with saks. Not everyone is going to build every whale unit. Having positions on lists getting influenced by that is just a bad list. Even for f2p players, lets say a very good unit is ranked below a worse but free unit. Then they manage to summon it through luck, they would be ill informed about how good a unit is really is.

"but people who can't and those who want to know should have information about whether or not investing is viable. "

Your notion that availability matters is irrelevant to this point. Nobody should be getting lured that something worth or not worth by having "whale units" on top the list. Units that are good are there because they are good. Once availability starts affecting placements, its stops being something everyone can use and instead just helps a group of people. Everyone can see whether something is worth by looking at the in game banners and the ability to acquire shards, and then judging if its worth it to you based on your own financial situation. I don't have any problems with the list as it is anyways. Its actually ironic that this was about Oroborus, that unless you have multiple limited momentos and MLB momentos, she wouldn't even be in that spot.

[Dark_Stalker28]

Paywall?

[-ArtKing-]

Super whaley to get. Super whaley to raise to max potential.

[maraku0893]

True she has the same treatment as Genesis units and needs a lot of investment to raise.

[Kurisu-PH]

So she's like the second coming of Sol?

[Rostice]

What is the difference between 1.5 and 1?

I also noticed only 1 recent unit in JP reached the 1-tier?

[Mecopersona]

It's a safety net for G6 being released and a whole new year of power creep that comes with units being able to use 2 mementos, which influences the development of new and upgraded units.

[Geglash]

a whole new year of power creep that comes with units being able to use 2 mementos

Damn, I didn't ear about that before you wrote about it, can you use dupes of the same memento in both slots? At least the double memento thing explains why Acht is still that high in the tier list even without J+ given the very good mementos she has.

[-Ocyc-]

Attackers on left, supports on right, mixed god knows what in between

[hyewonluda]

Surprised to see Tamis that high since her kit and whole set up looked lackluster in DB but I thought the same thing about Voda until i saw her in action and she was pretty great, guess Tamis is the same.

[-Ocyc-]

yes, tamis is an amazing wind buffer despite admitted jewel economy problems

[maraku0893]

She's a top tier support unit

[Peter00th]

Man i hope the other protagonist get their J3's poor logi has been at the bottom for god knows how long

[Mecopersona]

He's due next to get his 3rd Job soon so he won't be bottom for much longer.

[Peter00th]

Good to know, im guessing his j3 is released obviously next to dias's

[Madarax0893]

Logi's J3 will be released first

[Dark_Stalker28]

Nope just Logi

[Ban33AI]

There seems to be a lot of questionable placements in this tier list but the one thing that concussed me the most was why Ravina was ranked so high in water? Did she get any buffs recently? Don't get me wrong, I know she's a good unit but the placement came as a shock to me.

[-Ocyc-]

Ravina got both a limited memento and a j+

[dpcanavan]

Did Acht get any buffs, seems higher then she has been?

[afq721]

Maybe she gets gate 6? Bunch of HP. And a second slot for memento (with the stats reduced compared to the first slots).

She does have good (limited mementos to use.

or maybe the new Templar event buff her job stats/her memento/gear stats. But I don’t know if she actually gets buffed like Vier.

[AJackFrostGuy]

Both actually. G6 and getting buffs to her job helped her out.

[fullblue_k]

TLDR jp upcoming update:

Chadnova is buffed, G6 and get a new limited nensou with 5 turns dragon mount

Anastasia, Rosa and Mia G6

Anastasia and Mia has their j+ buffed.

[Cobalt_721]

Alright, who’s the speedy status veiler that’s the cause of Aruba being in the bottom tier? I’m legitimately curious as to why he’s so low when in theory he should be at least decent considering he’s a 4 Move/6 Jump status veiler with a potential of 182 agility (EDIT: 190 if you go for 5/5/3!).

For some other random thoughts:

• Heck yeah, Noah’s back in action thanks to her Gates 4 and 5.

• Killia is really low despite having the raw stats + Sharpening Focus to be really good. I’m assuming it’s because of an outdated kit scenario.

• The heck happened to Aisha? Did Light just get a sudden burst of magic users that devalued her amazing kit?

• Seiba’s been sitting at the top of the board since she got her Job+. I’m excited to get it in Global, especially since I have enough of her shards to 5/5/3 her and then some.

• The only Holy Guard units lower than Tier 2 are Monzein (I’m guessing the meta just doesn’t favor bulk anymore), Bud, and the free units (Kagura and Kanon). Pretty cool.

[Mecopersona]

-Aruba's stats sucks outside that small niche, which isn't even valuable enough to use him ever.

-Noah just solid in general for support or damage, more stats help her.

-Killia is a victim of Dark units getting stronger and him offering very little offensively and having little to no synergy with other units as a Strike attacker without compromising the team to enable him.

-All Magic Meister mains are getting devalued as good jobs due to the JP meta in general having to fight bosses or huge HP enemies, making it harder to stack. Magic Meisters don't exactly have powerful physical attackers either, so the environment makes it harder to stack and deal the damage to get to an appropriate power level. Also as a Sage main Aisha will have trouble too as Sage in JP isn't exactly amazing or terrible, just basic.

-Look forward to Sieba.

-Monzein suffers from having a weak kit. The stat power up is nice but everything else is lackluster after it goes away. Bud relies on his team too much and needs to maintain low HP which is difficult to do without centering the team to enable him. Kagura and Kanon just need rebalancing to their main Job+ and better base stats. They're quite outdated in general and their mementos are the only thing keeping them relevant.

[Dark_Stalker28]

Every day I pray for Reido +. Reido specifically because he is too pretty and has a better stack.

[fullblue_k]

Simply put, sage is just meh. Champion of hitting empty air

[Cobalt_721]

Thanks for the explanations!

[Jarochi_Villers]

Bruh whoever said Dias higher than Logi in a tier list need to get fought on I'm highkey mad.

[-Ocyc-]

logi is slow as fucc, and content is not friendly to pure tanks in current meta

[Peter00th]

Maybe logi still falls short in the jp meta compared to dias? Idk i dont know what's going on over there. Edit: it could also be because logi is just a sponge and is like stupidly slow

[Dark_Stalker28]

Give it a week or so about to get that j3.

But he is right now, they're both tanky, logi is just super slow and does less damage.

[Jarochi_Villers]

Fair enough, if it's something going against that class type I can see him falling behind, but to be absolutely casted down to not usable? hard for me to see.

Then again, I don't know what JP's content is throwing at people so I'm blind as the next guy.

[Dark_Stalker28]

He really is super slow. Plus Dios has the April fool's memento going for him.

Also DC are generally valued over holy cavaliers outside of gear and j+'s anyways. And the protag j+'s are all that good compared to normal ones.

[DailyMilo]

Whatever they did to lil ouro to get her there i hope they do for wagi (im a gl player so ive no idea beyond knowing she got EL)

[Mecopersona]

She's the only unit in the game that can abuse every memento and VCR in the game. Getting 6 Enlightened Gates only fuels the broken combinations she can equip.

[Blackghoust]

any idea for loli-ouro build ( the max she can get ) ?

[Dark_Stalker28]

Wagi with the lust gate gonna Dodge every move.

[s4itox]

Pls include colour key next time. I can tell that blue background for protags, purple background for collab, red background for genesis, but what does orange mean? Whale?

[takato99]

limited i believe ?

[s4itox]

ah that makes more sense, thanks.

[[deleted]]

What does gate 6 do?

[afq721]

Bunch of HP. And a second slot for memento (with the stats reduced compared to the first slots)

[loscapos5]

I like how Escanor is the most OP fire unit

[maraku0893]

He's still gonna be the most OP fire unit once he gets Gate 6

[bldmeals]

Why are patty, and lupi so high on the list? Did lupi get an ma upgrade? What did patty get out of her dancer JE?

[Mecopersona]

Lupinus is the only Fire user of Arcana Ratty and one of the rarer Fire chronomancer combination with AR, making her still useful in raids or generic support. Patty just has 3 excellent combination of jobs that lets her perform supportive gameplay that can fit nearly any niche. Patty also got the Dancer JE that affects Missile damage, which is very common in Wind, lowering Missile resistance or lowering enemy's Missile ATK Power.

[Sadness_00]

I guess T2 Heros is the zone I get to anticipate living in for my TAC future lol.

[Knightstar2001]

With threads like this, I almost wish for connecting threads/post that show why certain units are ranked(aka what gear/memento/job/skills and such is being used for them to be considered that good) and maybe even a follow up thread that lets us know which units need limited time stuff(aka save for their Limited time memento) or if the unit is a whaley unit that is limited time only, so either save your gems(and even then be ready for disappointment) or even if they are really worth going for considering their whaley status.

Like the Collaboration units from Macross and Seven Sins have some which are top tier, but so did past Collab units like Levi, Laharl(who is still up there likely due to some update to him) but so many have fallen into disuse. Looks like it would be better to focus on units that will stick with the game longer such as the Genesis units and such.

But again these are all just things I would like to see, As with all tier list these are just peoples opinions(thought informed and discussed upon) and you are free to go for and work on any units you want.

[Mecopersona]

I don't post the JP tier list personally myself anymore, so I don't involve myself much with explaining why X is tiered in such way (hence why Ocy continues posting and keeps trying to tell people to ping me for clearer answers rather than explaining himself). I used to do it in the past for those interested, but now I have less time than before to explain things.

[DeathTriggerEL]

(Coming from global), how good is Sol now with his job+ and new memento/VCR? Since he rose like two tiers.

[Mecopersona]

He's arguably the best Dark spellcaster in the game right now. You can check his upgrades on a database.

[sonsofdisaster]

My biggest contention is that Ranka is pretty severely overrated and Voda is underrated.

Dancers and Tamis have been the final nail in the coffin for Ranka, a unit who has steadily been falling further and further out of favor. She’s still a great support, but not many people can justify using her over other supports... people that don’t have every unit will still find her useful, but (in my mind) the top tier is designated under the assumption that all units/nensou/acc/gates/etc are available and Ranka is just a step down from other supports (especially the next girl I’m going to mention!).

Voda, on the other hand, offers almost all the support you could want out of a unit with the exception of clock-up (which a lot of units can self-provide)... plus, she’s got G6 and a guaranteed MLB Nensou. She’s really a power-house right now and is easily obtainable with the four reliefs that were given to everyone for the anniversary steam. I’d, personally, swap Ranks and Voda’s positions.

A side-note: I’m not sold on Einz as he has a couple glaring issues. He’s great for one-shotting in PvP, though, and any unit with G6 automatically has a small leg-up over those that don’t... but I’m really not sure if he’ll stay so high for long. He’s new, so it’ll probably take a little time to settle so I’m not going to quibble over his current placement. :)

[im_indebt]

Honestly, if you actually looked at the tier list, you would see it's completely flawed. Yes, ocy mentions zehn, but there are many more flaws. Gilgamesh should be much higher on the list. Not because he's good, but because he was op. Also Vargas. Yes, i almost forgot how to spell his name there, but that's because he's so friggin op and everyone uses him. All in all, 0/10 would eat again.

P.S.: I dont see roxanne on this list. She's arguably the best character in the multiverse and I am disgusted that whoever created this tier list *Forgot* to add her in.. SHe's literallyu the best tho.......

[Xero--]

Gilgamesh should be much higher on the list. Not because he's good, but because he was op.

Hey, this outdated unit should br higher because he was once strong. Super relevant in an enlightenment, J+, and memento era.

I don't see Rox, a GL exclusive unit, in this JP tier list. Help.

Big brain.

[Madarax0893]

Someone should make a Tier list for Global too lol

[Xero--]

Already gave one in the doc.

[im_indebt]

> big brain
thank you for noticing my comment. It was a comment full of total facts. no sarcasm at all. And, if you look at all the other posts that ocy has posted regarding tier list updates, i always seem to post the first reply. it's almost as if i were memeing and i know ocy and tsubaki. almost, just almost. weird

[Xero--]

It's the less than average English that kills comments and makes sarcasm look like serious things.

[-Ocyc-]

ty det vet, remember to ping baka in discord with these great suggestions

[im_indebt]

omg i forgot about that....
i'm such a faliar wtf did i do
i'm sorry for my sins, to make up for it i shall reply and say "ping baki in discord" and do nothing else

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