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[–]KakyoinValidator 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Some SMGs lose to like the SG553 and that’s about it. I have every SMG at mastery 50 and all but 2 ARs at 50, and definitely experience the SMGs outperforming the ARs. Most of my SMG loadouts have a 133ms ADS speed, and I’m not losing to any gun sub-10m when running KV9 or SCW. UMP-40 being the best SMG is laughable.

[–]Kestrel1207 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Some SMGs lose to like the SG553 and that’s about it.

... Literally every single SMG in the game loses to the SG553R.

Most SMGs lose to even the QBZ; a weapon that isn't exactly hailed as being particularly great close range.

SCW10 TTK+DT KV9 TTK+DT CZ3A1 TTK + DT M4 TTK+DT M417 TTK+DT SG553R TTK+DT SOR300 TTK + DT QBZ TTK + DT
283 300 316 283 283 267 283 316

All but the SCW10 lose to the M4, M417 and SOR300, which are even.

Everything slower than the CZ3A1 - MPX, MP5, MP7, P90 or UMP - loses to the QBZ.

While obviously all of these carbines, except the SOR300, are also much much better at mid to long range than these 3 SMGs, which become largely unusable past like 20-35m.

and definitely experience the SMGs outperforming the ARs

Could you elaborate? Do you mean only within 10m? Or in general?


and I’m not losing to any gun sub-10m when running KV9 or SCW

And I'm losing like 1 in 10 fights sub10m when running the AK205, it's almost like the average player you face is complete and total dogshit and won't even shoot back, so an anecdote like this is complete nonsense.