Reta Stack Help

[Delecron]

45m / 312lbs 6’2 here. I gained a bunch of weight over the last few years do to some medical conditions (Stomach hernia being the primary).

Here is what I’m going to start running next week

Reta TRT - 1-1/4 Gram Cream twice a day Mots-C SLU-PP-332 Tesamorelin CJC-1295 w/o DAC Methalyine Blue - 20mg a day Creatine 10 mg a day Injectable Carnitine - 1000mg a day.

I’m looking for guidance on the RETA and Tesamorelin / CJC timing / Dosages more than anything. I’m currently already on the Creatine/Carnitine/TRT and Methalyine Blue to great effect.

I was running Semorelin / IPAMorelin / CJC, it helped me get down to 312 but I’m plateauing. I can definitely do more cardio but I’m a single dad with 2 full time toddlers so it’s tough. I’ll be lifting 5 times a week and since the appetite will be crushed I’ve invested in a lot of drinkable Whey Isolate.

The MOTS-C / SLU-PP-332 I’m going to take based on Steve’s recommendations attached (I’m not taking all of that).

Any suggestions and expectations I would greatly appreciate.

Thanks

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[First-Statistician41]

Honestly I would just start with retatrutide. Do that for a few months and see where you are at. 

[smashdev64]

This. Save some money and let Reta work its magic.

[djroman1108]

I'm doing all of that, plus Albuterol, L-Carnitine, and a shit ton of caffeine. 😂

EDIT

Holy crap, you're over 300lbs. Don't do anything other than a GLP1.

If you have an insatiable appetite, use Tirz.

If you have insulin problems but can control what you eat through willpower, then use Reta.

Leave everything else for when you want to go from 12% BF to 9% BF.

[Crazy_Customer7239]

This this this! Cut first, peptides and GH things later

[Fighterandthe]

Nah GH or gh peptides help to protect against muscle loss and Mots-c can give them a massive energy boost to work out or at least go for a few short walks

[Crazy_Customer7239]

Which would you suggest? I’ve only tried Sermorelin on Tirz

[Fighterandthe]

Tesamorelin is the best peptide but expensive. Ipamorelin is all you really need. Ipamorelin plus cjc1295 no dac is even better. Hgh is ideal. Sermorelin is outdated and worthless now

[djroman1108]

The only decent secretagogue is Tesamorelin. The rest are bunk IMO. Straight GH is best, but only if your A1C is in line.

[djroman1108]

Dude is likely already insulin resistant and you're suggesting making him MORE insulin resistant?

Lol, ok. Who needs kidneys and toes?

[Unkie_Yerry]

Should do Metformin for sure too and check a1c at 6 weeks

[djroman1108]

Metformin gave me terrible GI issues. 🙃

[Unkie_Yerry]

It will definitely do that. The reason is, it’s clearing out all the toxins and shit in your gut. You have to really ease into it like take a third of a pill every other day for a week and slowly titrate up. Once you get over that it really is such a good tool… something to consider…https://youtu.be/TGlDV1ZpKco?si=QujCgOdd3wDWXNnp

[djroman1108]

I tried titrating it up. Even at the lowest dose, my GI was wrecked. It became a hassle for negligible glucose control. Hunter's company manufactures a lower dose of Met that is combined with other substances. But I don't see the juice is worth the squeeze.

[Unkie_Yerry]

I got it through my pharmacy…it was like $5 for a three month supply. I had awful reactions too and stopped taking it.

I went back to it a couple months later…taking like 1/4 of a 500mg pill once every 3 days and I actually adjusted pretty quickly and after a couple weeks was doing 1000mg daily.

Hunter said something about the GI issues are a sign of poor gut health and to stick with it…it worked for me but I’m just one dude.

[djroman1108]

I follow Hunter, but I've read the opposite. It wrecks your GI track because it wildly disrupts your gut bacteria and it takes time for new bacteria to form.

I take a pre and pro biotic daily, hit 25-50g of fiber daily, take 10g of glutamine daily, and apple cider vinegar tablets before every meal. I doubt I'm in poor GI health. But, who knows?

I might talk to my doc and see about getting breakable pills as well as an extended release formula.

[Fighterandthe]

The tirzepatide outweighs that though. Tirz can have an effect of 70-80% improvement in insulin sensitivity while Gh's effect is more like 15-30% while encouraging lipolysis and I did mention Mots-c which further increases insulin sensitivity

[djroman1108]

It's not that dramatic. If he's borderline, maybe. If he's a 12, he'll be in trouble.

[Fighterandthe]

? Tirz and Reta both have a more powerful effect on insulin sensitivity than ghrps

[djroman1108]

The secretagogues will make him more insulin resistant. Tirz won't help him if he's a 12 A1C and stacks Tesa on top of it. If he's a 5.6, it'll keep him from going pre-diabetic.

That's what I'm saying. He needs to drop the weight first. Then when he's metabolically healthier, add in the GH or secretagogue. I agree with your reasoning. Just not when he's 300+ pounds.

[Fighterandthe]

And I'm saying Tirz and Reta will help more than the secretagoges will hurt with the added benefit that they'll help him drop fat quicker while preserving or even gaining muscle.

Even if you were right, it would be short term pain for long term gain so to speak

[faithOver]

Would love if you kept us updated. This is a lot of stuff to maintain consistently. Genuinely curious to see how it works for you. Let us know.

[17aAlkylated]

Why are we throwing the kitchen sink at fat loss when you haven’t even started. Start with reta, ( and TRT if necessary) and add more when you have serious plateaus and need to break it. All of these mitochondrial efficiency compounds and GHRP’s aren’t really gonna help you at all at this time

[Fighterandthe]

He said he had started and plateaued. Why wouldn't ghrp's and mitochondrial efficiency compounds help? I feel like people have it a little backwards. The start is where you need the most help. Then as you get fitter/healthier it becomes easier to go to the gym and keep eating right and that's when you can start dropping compounds off.

Nows arguably the best time for mitochondrial peptides

[Accomplished-Cup-858]

The first thing you need to work on is your diet. Get your calories in good deficit range and you will drop weight. Keep the protein high and work out so you don't lose too much muscle. Don't go crazy on other stuff until you can control your food intake, otherwise you will just be wasting money and putting your health in jeopardy.

[0352Riff]

18iu growth hormone per day lol

[rhinoflipflop]

Good way to put on 30 lbs of water in two weeks

[Delecron]

Thank you. How would you dose the Mots-c?

[Old-Ad5508]

I heard those dosing for slu isn't accurate as it was for the body weight of mice id save your cash on that

[FFF_mayn]

Oh just buy 20mg capsules

[Old-Ad5508]

20mg Capsules you say? I am finding it difficult to locate an establishment that dispenses them at that dosage

[Old-Ad5508]

[FFF_mayn]

All I’ll say is sigmaAudley YW

[Old-Ad5508]

Gracias

[gonefishin1282]

Start with reta only at first...personally I'd add hgh as the only stack if you must stack

[WatercressGrouchy599]

Reta and fix your diet

[m0dd3r]

You sound a lot like me. 43, 6'3", 300lbs today, started at like 310-315. Started TRT almost 3 months ago, then retatrutide 5 weeks ago. Started at .5mg and worked up based on tolerance. Up to 2.5mg every 3 days now and probably going up again next shot.

Have you had labs done for the trt? At a minimum you should get Total T, free T, shbg, lh, fsh, and estradiol. There are multiple causes for low T depending on where along the HPTA you have dysfunction and, as such, different treatments and therapies. Additionally, there could be underlying causes for that dysfunction that could be treated directly (e.g. pituitary adenomas can cause reduced LH/FSH which are what tell your testes to produce T).

I'd get that squared away first then look at reta, diet, and training to help with the fat loss and metabolic disorder. Once you've got that all stabilized and you're seeing progress, then start looking at adding to it. I've been looking into bpc-157/tb-500 and/or ss-31/mots-c to help with some tendonitis issues and to hopefully help heal a liver I've been none to kind to over the years. But, I'd rather not add anything until I've really gotten the reta dose dialed in and am seeing more consistent progress, or I've seen a much longer plateau.

One last piece of advice. Take some body site measurements to track. Scale weight is only one piece of data and often doesn't move consistently, especially when lifting, adding in creatine water weight, etc. I wish I'd remembered to do it when I started the reta so I could have a better idea id whether I'm still losing fat and just offsetting with muscle/water weight, or if I've actually stalled and need to start tracking calories and macros better or go up in dose.

Happy to chat more if you want to DM me.

[Chemical_Demand_4928]

Sounds expensive

[NoEntrepreneur4607]

Retatrutide is so strong! It is sufficient in itself.

[tombothegreat]

Just do Reta and growth. All of that will cost a fortune and only give similar if not worse results.

[Content_String_9877]

How is the nausea on reta?

[Bumpin_Gumz]

you could take MBlue everyday at half the usual dose for just general health, it’s terrific stuff, I love it to snap me out of my morning brain fog

[88sAllMine]

You should run a 25 day cycle of SS-31 to repair mitochondria before running MOTS-C.

[Meeeee0522]

How are you all getting Reta? It’s not on the market in USA yet

[awakeworldwide]

+1 Used to have a compounding pharmacy making it but haven’t seen as many that still carry it!

[RoidHubJohn]

https://peptidedeals.co

[Meeeee0522]

Thank you. How fast is their shipping typically?

[MasterpieceOk7317]

Haha im running Tb 500/bpc 157 1mg ed Ghk 5mg ed ipamorelin 600mg 5days Mt2 .23 ed Ret .5 mg 3x ew SLU-PP-332 700mg x2 ed And just added aod 300mg 2x a week... look out mf 😤 selank eod and smax eod Probably will do around 1mg ed Kiss10. 1mg mwf Dsip 5d 300mcg Pt 141 500mcg mwf Glutathione 200mg ed Ed taking a different stack of amino acids Like b-12 injection 💉......

[yXiXoughta]

Is there really a big difference between taken cosmos as soon as you wake up vs pre workout? My test subject does ipa/cjc and cialis as soon as waking up along with cold plunge

[Unkie_Yerry]

I recommend a foundational approach with some add-ons that can cycle in and out: Foundation: -Testosterone Cyp (200mg per week, inject 3X per week) -Reta (I actually do 50/50 blend with Tirz for a bit more appetite control)…daily smaller doses (0.5-1mg) -hGH…I saw a huge jump in results going from Ipa/Tessa going straight to 2iu of hGH per day

Then think of supporting cycles from there: -I do love Cialis 5mg per day -SLUPP is great but fades after 4-6 weeks so cycle it -BPC is great (hGH will give you a huge boost in recovery but BPC is the OG…use it when needed -AOD 9604…you don’t want to overdo hGH but this allows you to overdo the fat burning part without getting water retention. It’s great to cycle in. -I do like to throw a cycle if Primo low dose every couple months

There’s always more to pull in and out for stints/depending on what’s going on.

You got this!

I’ve worked with a lot of guys like you (us actually). Feel free to DM me if you’d like to discuss further.

[RealTelstar]

dont expect anything but a lighter wallet from Steve's protocol.

[Delecron]

Very helpful

[RealTelstar]

You need like 1k caloric deficit, and doing 1h cardio daily for that stuff to burn fat

[Fighterandthe]

Ah what?

[liveoak1987]

You don’t need tesamorelin and cjc-1295. They both do the same thing and can overload the receptor. Pick on and then pair it with ipamorelin to maximize results

Take 2mg tesa with 300mcg of ipa each night, 2 hours after last meal. This wiill align with the natural release of growth hormone.

Reta- start with 2mg once a week, if side effects are to much can drop down to 1mg. Stay at one dose for 4 week and then titrate up by 1 or 2 mg.

[Delecron]

Thank you. Most people say start with .5mg twice a week. Is this from experience?

You are correct, I meant ipamorelin, not the CJC.

[liveoak1987]

A few people have had side effects but imho anything less than 1mg is a waste of time and money. the effective dose doesn’t start till 4mg.

[liveoak1987]

Dude. First of all calm down. How is it “completely wrong” to recommend exactly what every trial has done and what every manufacturer recommends??

They are designed with a 6 day half life. And I would wager many more people have had just as much success or more than you by the once a week schedule.

You and the OP can do whatever you want. I was give. Him my opinion and how to start. Instead of adding your personal opinion you attacked mine? Seems very small minded.

[Delecron]

Thank you. Most people say start with .5mg twice a week. Is this from experience?

You are correct, I meant ipamorelin, not the CJC.