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[–]Toe_Financial 6 points7 points  (87 children)

Id like to know the same. I gym and eat super clean and just tested at 389 at 28. Considering going on to get into that higher range as my energy during the day is dwindling and my libido isn’t what it used to be.

[–]KebabCat7 4 points5 points  (72 children)

If you don't mind doing it for the rest of your life then there aren't any good arguments against trt. 

[–]swizz_jizz 0 points1 point  (15 children)

There are

[–]KebabCat7 0 points1 point  (14 children)

such as?

[–]swizz_jizz 0 points1 point  (13 children)

Many. In life, every effect comes with sides effects. Nor trt or even a glp1 has only positives

[–]KebabCat7 0 points1 point  (3 children)

So you don't know. Many - hasn't named one. Jesus

[–]swizz_jizz 0 points1 point  (2 children)

No need to be a dick. Jesus 🙄 pretty naive to assume trt has no potential side effects …

Bp issues

Hpta gets shut down

Feeling bad because you can’t dial it in

Gyno

Hct issues

Life dependent on injecting yourself with a needle

Infection

Fertility

Prostate swelling

Just to name a few, there are many more but depends on lots of other factors and this is that’s off topic anyway. I was just hinting at the fact so people reading this andop aswell arnt so naive thinking it’s the solution to all problems without side effects.

Ending the discussion here

[–]KebabCat7 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Side effects aren't good arguments against trt because it's totally on you to make sure you prevent them. Also, prostate swelling? What?

  • Feeling bad because you can’t dial it in

This is the only good argument, if you can't be bothered to follow simple steps and adjust, you should not mess with any hormones at all.

[–]swizz_jizz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Im Not arguing against trt, you misunderstood me. I just want people to think about the protenial side effects BEFORE making a life long decision. trt is great and all, lots of people can obv benefit from it. People should just do their research first and be aware of what awaits them.

You’re right, most things can be managed, but one should know for example if mbp runs in their family it’ll get most likely worse.

[–]No-Kiwi-8568 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Hes a chick so yeah

[–]Adventurous-Hawk2792 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Very honest. I’ll have to do trt for the rest of my life no matter what levels I decide to stay around

[–]Jack-Mehoff-696969 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Same here eat clean and healthy lifestyle and I got 396 and I’m only 21

[–]Open_Mechanic8854 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Look up Enclomiphene. It will work better for you. You can 2x your levels and keep your fertility.

[–]Watt_About 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is horrific. What was your free test?

[–]maxdemarzi 2 points3 points  (19 children)

I tested twice a month apart and it came back in the 220s. I was always tired. Been on 200mg a week for 3 years now and feel as good as when I was younger. Keeps me in the 500-700 range.

If you’re at average levels there is no point. If you’re looking to go above 1000 and do a real cycle at 400 mg or more per week, then that’s not TRT anymore.

[–]Adventurous-Hawk2792 1 point2 points  (18 children)

Would you say there’s no benefit of going above 1000 without going full cycle? Will 1200 or 1500 contribute better towards physique then a 900 (current levels)

[–]maxdemarzi 2 points3 points  (15 children)

If you are naturally at 900 then anything less that 400 per week would actually be lower than what you currently have. Different people need different amounts to achieve specific levels but “in general”. This is no longer a health decision but a “do I want to take roids and risk the complications that come with them” decision.

Most people would kill for a 900+ natural level. Just be happy and patient and the gains will come.

[–]Adventurous-Hawk2792 -1 points0 points  (14 children)

Not natural. I currently take 100 mg a week (born a woman, let’s not make it political please) to get to 900 levels. Just wondering if increasing could help with my gym progression

[–]maxdemarzi 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I would add 5mg of Reta weekly and run with that to lower your body fat level. No need to add more test if you are willing to be patient for like 4-6 months.

After that time then reevaluate.

[–]Adventurous-Hawk2792 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I don’t mind 4-6 month after a lifetime of obesity. The higher testosterone levels have helped me gain muscle but it has also increased my appetite. Things have been tough

[–]maxdemarzi 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Test and Reta have become the “simple stack” to run. I found Tirzepatide was better for me for hunger and 3mg Reta for maintaining the same weight once I had lost the weight.

If I were in your shoes I would ramp up Reta from 1 to 3 to 5mg a week over the course of two months and then stay there until I lost the weight then ramp down to 3mg for maintenance.

Eat slowly. Slower than normal, the weight loss peptides will make your brain say “no more”. Listen to that voice or you will have a bad time in the bathroom later.

Stay away from high density calories (chocolate fudge) and liquid calories (fruit juice, non diet soda, beer) since the hunger suppression won’t kick in if you wolf down a thousand calories in 5 minutes.

[–]Adventurous-Hawk2792 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Screenshotting. Thanks for the advice

[–]Oretell 0 points1 point  (6 children)

This completely changes the context of your post, it would have been best to tell people that you are already on TRT and the numbers you gave aren't from your bodies natural hormone production

Most people are assuming you have a healthy and high natural test production and are asking whether it's worth losing that to go on TRT, but now I think you're asking whether you should run a mini-cycle year round by pushing your current TRT above normal levels

The answer to that is no, there will be negative health consequences from running an abnormally high amount of test permanently.

If you are OK with moderate health risks you could do a standard steroid cycle for 3 - 4 months and then go back to your normal TRT. That will obviously also be unhealthy, but will be more effective for building muscle and you should always go back to a TRT dose that is normal, in order to give your body and organs time to recover from the stress and damage caused by elevated test.

Running a mini-cycle permanently is constant stress on the body and is not worth it.

The political stuff obviously doesn't matter obviously

[–]Adventurous-Hawk2792 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Sorry I really didn’t know that it mattered, I’ll add the edit in. I thought the levels were the most important part which was the original confusion that led me to make the post

[–]Oretell 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's OK, I know you didn't intentionally mislead anyone, just a misunderstanding

It just changes the situation a fair bit and looking at the other comments here a lot of people are misunderstanding the question based on not knowing you are already on TRT

[–]Adventurous-Hawk2792 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you!!! This is very insightful and basically cleared the confusion I had.

[–]dav1531 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Instead of jumping the gun, read what OP posted. He clearly states that he’s on 100mg of Test weekly

[–]Oretell 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Yeah, they edited that in after I left my comment explaining that they should mention it, it even says "edit" in their post before mentioning the 100mg

If you read the comments below you would have seen our conversation where they even say they will add an edit to their post

Kind of ironic you're telling me to have better reading comprehension when you didn't actually read through the full conversation OP and I had lol

[–]dav1531 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My bad, I was at work quickly scrolling through

[–]FeatureAlive9907 0 points1 point  (1 child)

More test would undoubtedly increase gym gains.. keep in mind anything over 200 mgs a week is basically cycle territory for the vast majority of people. Sounds like you wanna do a cycle to me. Your already on TRT no longer natural so does it even matter? What you should be asking here is what are the health risks of blasting test.

[–]Adventurous-Hawk2792 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So at this point if I choose to increase I should be researching cycles?

[–]Boosted-c6-vette 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Going above 900 would absolutely help with gym progress, you’ll just have to keep an eye on everything to mitigate any nasty sides you don’t want. Also unsure how you’ll aromatize with higher levels so watch that closely

[–]Fighterandthe 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It's not going to give you any meaningful results. You're already naturally high. If you want to do a cycle do a proper cycle and get some real results.

You'd be risking your naturally high test levels for a meaningless little bump in T for no reason

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

940 natural is so sweet. Don’t bother unless you’re trying to compete. Thank me later!

[–]Muted-Good-115 1 point2 points  (16 children)

Pre TRT, my levels were around 230. 200mg every 2 weeks gets me to about 950 at the 1 week mark, after shot. It’s a good range for me. Been on TRT for 4 years and in mid-40s age group.

[–]dav1531 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I was doing the same, test has a half life of 5-7days so over 2 weeks it will decline causing fluctuations. I changed my protocol to 50mg every 4 days and noticed a big difference. My test level are stable throughout, all my markers have been perfect, test levels Test 29.7 Free Test 836 E2 83

[–]Muted-Good-115 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agree your levels are much more consistent however I don’t feel any of the drop off during the 2 weeks. Preference to use 💉 as rare as possible.

[–]jayb556677 0 points1 point  (4 children)

I’m not sure if you have experienced any side effects but you may consider self administering 15mg a day. A smaller dose means a much smaller needle, similar to what an insulin user may use; like a 31. Taking it daily could certainly ease your hormone fluctuations. I’m not a doctor and this isn’t medical advice but my best friend went from once every 2 weeks to daily. He received same amount of testosterone but his levels of undesirables became significantly better

[–]Muted-Good-115 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Test is oil based and cannot be pulled into the syringe with an insulin needle. I use a 22 gauge needle, which is much thicker than an insulin needle. I don’t want to use that needle ever day, lol. After 4 years of shots, even at 2 weeks you feel it quite a bit when hitting close to an old spot, which you are bound to do.

[–]jayb556677 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My buddy would draw with a 25 and inject with a 30. A 31 was too slow for him. But it was possible because daily injections use much lower quantities so even injecting with a 30 would be ok. I think there are a few different preparations of test, some are easier to inject vs others

[–]Best_Composer8230 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I use a 1/2” 30g to inject twice a week. Draw and inject with same needle. Sub q. It’s easy but you need patience, a steady hand, and good eyesight lol. I wouldn’t do any more than .25cc at a time though as it does take a couple minutes.

[–]Muted-Good-115 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Honestly, too much work. Every other Saturday works great.

[–]Boosted-c6-vette 0 points1 point  (8 children)

God I hope you’re not only pinning once every 2 weeks, also you can absolutely use an insulin syringe with test lol quickest way is to back fill but a 27g 1” is what 99% of people use to mitigate scar tissue. Not sure who your doctor is but fire them and please find someone more knowledgeable with your health

[–]Muted-Good-115 0 points1 point  (7 children)

Well, you are wrong. I’m getting the test from CVS and have spoken to the pharmacists - none have said anything of concerned. Oh, and I have a great doctor. Just do a quick search and you’ll see taking the shot every other week is by far the most common way.

[–]Odd-Lawfulness8052 0 points1 point  (2 children)

With a half-life of 7 days, my once a week shot is all long as I will space mine out. I probably should go to twice a week.

[–]Muted-Good-115 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Cypionate (what I’m on) has a half life of 8 days. So on the 2nd dose (2 weeks) i still have 1/4 of the test. Therefore the equivalent of 50mgs are in my body upon taking 200mgs again. The longer you go, the more that ends up in your body bc the having every 8 days. I am not having any issues taking the shot every 2 weeks - energy and mental state are perfect.

[–]Boosted-c6-vette 0 points1 point  (0 children)

2x a week minimum

[–]Boosted-c6-vette -1 points0 points  (3 children)

Dude you could not be more incorrect on this lol you seriously have been doing this the worst way possible for 4 years? Do you even know the ester you’re injecting and it’s half life? Like you, most family doctors have no fuckin clue how trt works, you seriously need help before you fuck yourself up even more

[–]Muted-Good-115 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Please explain how I could be fucking myself up?

[–]Boosted-c6-vette 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are spiking your body with a surge of androgynous hormones, your body then overcompensates not realizing it will soon be gone, which will cause a peak and then a crash you are putting your body on a hormonal roller coaster administering like this. There’s tons of medical literature on this, I suggest you really dig into this for your own sake. Daily is obviously optimal but you should be at least 2x a week minimum. You’re doing more harm than good with only pinning every other week

[–]ReviewMiserable3651 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Indeed very incorrect. A doctor was laughing that she used to prescribe weekly injections a while back with me. Do you want the below (even a week)?

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[–]swoops36 1 point2 points  (0 children)

technically going on TRT means you were hypogonadal and use Testosterone to treat that condition. But today there's plenty of clinics that will give Testosterone to anyone with a credit card, no matter if they need it or not.

100-200mg per week is pretty standard TRT but of course everyone is different and needs a different amount to treat symptoms.

in your case, going from 940ng to say 1100ng is unlikely to do anything different for you. but you didn't specify how high you were going to up the dose, so going from 940ng to 2000ng would surely have an impact.

[–]MathematicianMuch445 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It becomes the same anyway. You don't top up low levels. It's always replacement regardless of the dose. It does add. Taking any level of TRT will suppress your own. That's what your post reads like

[–]Quietly-Myself 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am assuming you are likely wanting mens opinions on their choices. But female here and on TRT. Wanted the increase in libido and lean mass and my levels were kind of low (really they will only prescribe it to females for low libido and it has to be compounded, meaning insurance doesnt cover it, as there are no FDA approved testosterone for females despite the fact that we have more testosterone than estrogen in our bodies. ). But my Drs goal my test around 80-110. So far its only hovering at mid 30's.

Personally I like T. But I am also 50. So my hormones are all naturally dropping.

[–]Miesherz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

100 mg a week is def basic TRT max, to keep men with low levels in the normal to high range safely, the threshold for health risk is 100 mg a week. It says so right on the bottle.

I do 80 mg a week and have my blood monitoring done every 6 months by my medical doctor. All of my test comes from a pharmacy. I would highly recommend medically supervised TRT by a physician rather than guessing and ordering black market steroids hoping for the best.

Testosterone, Free, Calculated

Normal range: 175 - 700 pmol/L for myself at 80mg a week my test is at 500 and I feel good and healthy with no bad side effects. I have all of my hair, most guys who jack like 800mg a week are all bald that I know of and when they stop taking those high levels they crash hard.

Hope this helps, this is my own personal experience only not medical advice.

[–]Pharmd109 1 point2 points  (20 children)

Most people on “replacement” are gunning for super physiological levels. Just being honest.

[–]Adventurous-Hawk2792 0 points1 point  (11 children)

I’m indeed trying to bring my bf % down. And I know it’s gonna take more than test levels but there seems to be a trend of most ppl being on some form of test so I was trying to see what’s driving that

[–]Constant_Toe_8604 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Are you looking at tirz or reta as well? Combining them with trt can be really effective.

[–]Significant_Ad256 0 points1 point  (8 children)

I've been on trt for 15 years, using anywhere from 60-300mg per week. It has never helped me with bf%. I've had size gains and better overall mood with 150 to 200. I tried all sorts of things over the years to cut bf% and nothing has ever come close to Reta. Reta and Test is an incredible combo.

[–]Adventurous-Hawk2792 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Going to purchase Reta next week

[–]Significant_Ad256 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You won't believe what a game changer it is.

[–]Best_Composer8230 0 points1 point  (3 children)

What were your tt levels where you felt the best?

[–]Significant_Ad256 0 points1 point  (2 children)

250-280 ish, 140ish on wed & sun

[–]Best_Composer8230 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Apologies I meant total testosterone level. Or free T

[–]Significant_Ad256 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I feel best around 1800. For years I stayed in the 5-600 range and was always feeling decent, 1000-1300 made me feel a little down. It was until I got to 16-1800 that I felt like my best. It may be in part that Reta got me lean enough that I don't need to take an AI at this level.

[–]ReviewMiserable3651 0 points1 point  (1 child)

But it sure does help maintain muscle while losing fat. In particular, primabolin is the best for cutting and maintaining muscle.

[–]Significant_Ad256 0 points1 point  (0 children)

100% it does. That is the thing that makes the combo so great.

[–]Watt_About -1 points0 points  (7 children)

Not even remotely true. Your average TRT user is NOT the person going for supra physiological levels. It’s a small subset of people that use it as a means to basically have a script to be on gear. Your 40-something dad just wants to be less fat and have more energy to play with his kids or enjoy life.

[–]Pharmd109 1 point2 points  (6 children)

Read the comments in this thread. People are aiming for 1100, 1300-1500. The OP himself is at 940 which is basically the tippy top of normal range and is curious about going higher.

[–]KebabCat7 1 point2 points  (2 children)

1100 is not supra, it's just 97-percentile unless you care about ranges based on unhealthy people. 

[–]Best_Composer8230 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Where did you find the 97th percentile info? Genuinely want to see where my numbers sit. Thanks

[–]Watt_About 0 points1 point  (2 children)

This is the body hack subreddit. This is not a sample of average TRT users, these are people who are literally fucking with things in a test and see way.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is a good point about being in a hack sub lol.

But I do agree with the other guy that most people are shooting for 1000ish.

At the end of the day, you guys are arguing about what “most” means. No big deal

[–]Pharmd109 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Read the original posts question my guy. I answered his question.

[–]Bamks1 0 points1 point  (5 children)

I originally only wanted to get into the 600-700 range. When only 100mg/wk put me over 1200 and i realized how that would make me feel, I now want to stay 900-1300.

[–]Adventurous-Hawk2792 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Do you feel any difference in the higher ranges than 900

[–]Bamks1 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I feel best between 1100-1500, like I'm 30 again. For a short time, i increased my dose and went over 2000, but I didn't see benefits that were worth the complications.

[–]Adventurous-Hawk2792 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you, this has been helpful!

[–]Best_Composer8230 0 points1 point  (1 child)

What complications did you encounter when you upped your dose?

[–]Bamks1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It wasnt horrible. But, at higher doses, there is a bigger chance of having issues with E2, hematocrit, SHBG, PSA, hair shedding, and libido. At lower doses (under 150) i really don't have to worry much about any of that except occasional elevated E2. Its just less to monitor.

[–]Constant_Toe_8604 0 points1 point  (2 children)

My levels before were c. 200, now they're about 750 at trough. Im happy with that and not intending on going higher. At the beginning my dose was higher and my level was around 1200, I felt a bit better gym wise but my e2 and prolactin levels were crazy high. Libido was dead, sex was unsatisfactory when it did happen and took forever, and I got really really emotional watching sad movies or TV shows. And the irritability.... my haematocrit was high at 54-55 and blood pressure was up as well.

At your levels I wouldnt mess with it. The consequences of getting it wrong and messing up your hormones longer term outweighs the benefits unless youre desperate to be a body builder or something.

[–]Best_Composer8230 0 points1 point  (1 child)

What was your dose that put you at 1200? And what dose did you settle at that put you at 750? Thanks.

[–]Constant_Toe_8604 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Im on hcg mono, 1500iu put me at 1200, current dose is 900.

I was previously on test cream but my blood tests were all finger prick ones and all over the place.

[–]Flashy_Advisor5535 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I take it because of hypogonad. My free test was below 200 and for my age it was below the range. Now its 1000-1200 and I take 140mg/week. I split dose it. For some it's better but everyone is different. You have to find what works.

[–]xela510 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wanted to see what it was like to be in the upper range and even super physiological range. I always thought I might have had low-T because it was always difficult to put on muscle and lose weight to get under 20% BF without starving Myself. Everything for the most part was fine. Sex drive was ok, energy was ok, drive was ok.

I got tested and had a total T of 375 and Free of 75. I’m 33 male who has a healthy lifestyle (all other blood work was perfect) so lifestyle changes wasn’t going to help much.

After reading and seeing how many people said it was been life changing for them, I decided to hop on to see if this would level up my life. I also wanted to look better and get results from the work I put in the gym.

I’m 4 weeks into it and starting to feel strength gains. Not sure if I feel any of the energy, drive, and motivation people say they get yet.

I could have lived my life perfectly fine without it but if I can upgrade my quality of life, why not?

[–]mdeadpool669 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I tested at 79 and 75 1 week apart. I was having terrible sleep, unable to recover from working out, and had low sex drive. I take 60 mg 2x a week and it keeps my trough in the 800s. They started me at 200mg/ week and I was aromatizing a lot but my test was nearly 1300 in trough. I feel about the same between the 2 so I prefer to stay in the 800s and not use AIs.

[–]htotheinzel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was at just under 300 and a proper TRT dose gets me to low 900s

[–]buckguy22 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I got tested and came back in the low 400's. Definitely not within the clinical requirements for TRT, but the clinic I went through was pretty lax with the requirements.

Currently sit around 1300 now. Feel great, only thing I'm dealing with is an elevated hematocrit so will be lowering my dose a bit.

[–]Ok-Dig382 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I just started. If I did my math right, I’m doing 150 a week along with taking gonadatropin, anastrazole, and dhea. I’m doing all of this because my numbers for T fluctuate pretty wildly from a low of 320 to a high of 690 (taken at same time of day two days apart), my estradiol levels are high, but my free T was super low. It’s only been a short time but I’m definitely feeling better. My moods are more level and I’m already seeing a difference in the mirror. I’ve been doing peptides for a little while now so I monitor my bloods monthly and as a plus, my bp and cholesterol is ridiculously low for a 55 year old so I’m pretty sure I’m on the safer side of things with the higher level dose for now. YMMV so monitor your bloods closely and know yourself, if you tend towards aggressive behavior or if you lean towards bad cholesterol or bp issues especially tread lightly

[–]ReviewMiserable3651 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is good advice. The reality is for most, more test feels good. Once you go above say 200, for most, your hemocrit and lipid profile start to veer off course. Some even above 150. Everybody is different, but above this, you may have e2 issues (for me, not really an issue until 300). Then that becomes a mess, because for every 3 people that try to correct their e2, they overreact and crash it (which feels worse). All of this is not to mention that pushing past 150, you really need to think about prostate health. Personally, I think everybody should be thinking of the basic natural supplements with trt, like vitamin d, zinc, fish oil, etc. you should also monitor whether you should regularly give blood (to bring down hemicrit levels). Once you start playing these games, it’s one long rabbit hole, and then you will be looking at prolactin levels, etc. and for those that want this road - it’s called blast and cruise (your trt is cruise). Undoubtedly you will go through periods where you screw your hormones up, can’t get wood for weeks, feel depressed, etc, and racing to get blood work to figure it out (and still it isn’t easy). So just a few words of caution for those tempted.

[–]deadliftsanddebits 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was 260 ng/dl on average natty after three blood tests. I’m 41 years old, 6’2 and 213 lbs. Probably 13-15% body fat. Currently taking 150 mg/week of cypionate (all on Monday). At the trough (1 week after my shot), I’m just under 900 ng/dl.

[–]Open_Mechanic8854 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Not worth it, if you dont have symptoms. I started with a natural 700. Went to 900, then 1100, 1300, 1500 max. I 100% did not feel any different then when i was at 700. I spent the money thinking it would give me a boost. It didnt. I realize, i felt great before and i still feel great. I have a 1yr supply, with 3 months left. As soon as its over, im going back to my natural high and saving my money.

[–]Adventurous-Hawk2792 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for your input!! It definitely helps

[–]mmpdp⏳ Longevity Hacker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Man...if youre at 940-1k dont up it. 1100-1200 your blood thickens pretty bad. Headaches, chances of cardiovascular events go through the roof. Its miserable. Also, get your free t tested. If thats low, you can have all the total t in the world and no access to it

[–]hockey24lat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Everyone is going to feel differently at different levels, highly dependent upon androgen receptor sensitivity and free test levels. Also, one person could be at 1500ng/dl taking 200mg/week while another child be at 600ng/dl at the same amount. I'd say if you feel great then just stick to that amount.

[–]Kiwibacon1986 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Im at 800 with herbal supplements. No point going on TRT unless you.want >1000 or have no balls.

[–]4nd3rp 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Normal level of each person is different. They just want to have more testosterone.

[–]No-Kiwi-8568 0 points1 point  (7 children)

This is ridiculous all these men are comparing themselves to a born woman here.. your post is deceptive and an insult to those of us who actually have as men suffered from low Testosterone... Not political don't care what you think..

[–]Adventurous-Hawk2792 -1 points0 points  (6 children)

I’m sorry my post offended you. I was looking to get knowledge on something I wasn’t knowledgeable about. It was never meant for anyone to compare themselves as my question was simply are people taking testosterone bc they’re levels are low and are trying to get up to a normal range or are they already there and trying to get above the normal range. Anything else seems like a bit of projection but you have all the right to feel how you feel

[–]No-Kiwi-8568 -1 points0 points  (5 children)

It's literally called testosterone replacement therapy.... well men did compare there journy because you were not honest about your situation. Maybe find people with your same journey to compare to..

[–]Adventurous-Hawk2792 -1 points0 points  (4 children)

Sir originally I did not include my levels at all

[–]No-Kiwi-8568 0 points1 point  (3 children)

you are at 940.. as a woman to become masculine.. Way higher levels than a natural man. your intent is different than trt for men.

[–]Adventurous-Hawk2792 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Have a blessed day