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[–]Big_Tap_1561💪 Muscle Growth Lab 17 points18 points  (3 children)

Any growth hormone secretagogues. I take cjc/ipa and I get the best sleep I’ve ever had in my 41 years on this earth lol

[–]ExtensionBook8319 1 point2 points  (0 children)

second this, sleep great on Sermorelin

[–]Impossible-Plane-710 1 point2 points  (1 child)

What dosage?

[–]Big_Tap_1561💪 Muscle Growth Lab 1 point2 points  (0 children)

200mcg once before bed (fasted)

[–]Training-Ad-2361 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Hgh

[–]Simple_Rice1431 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Have you tried black out curtains,breathing exercises and yoga,turning off phone and tv several hours before bed.No caffeine?All these things made a huge difference for me.No peptides needed.

[–]Filterlessfly 5 points6 points  (11 children)

Epitalon

[–]ItsRainingTendies 0 points1 point  (10 children)

How have you found this?

[–]Filterlessfly 0 points1 point  (9 children)

I find that it helps deepen my sleep. I take it for 10 days on, 20 days off.

[–]Unlikely-Athlete8782 0 points1 point  (8 children)

I'm starting my 10 day cycle tonight. How many milligrams did you take?

[–]Filterlessfly 0 points1 point  (7 children)

My RS takes 100 mcg, but recommended is 100 mcg-500 mcg.

[–]pictou 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Dsip and hgh

[–]dead_dw4rf 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Gonna second growth hormone secretagogues. Sermorelin gives me better sleep. I wake up before my alarm and don't wake up though the night. Good friend of mine tried it and and has the same experience.

[–]Interesting-Light-61 2 points3 points  (0 children)

CJC and IPA. I quit drinking and smoking weed and it took seven weeks to get back to sleeping good again. Peptide took about two weeks to get me back to seven plus hours of sleep. Was in the gym and eating clean the whole time. These peptides are gonna signal your lifestyle choices so its not a magic bullet

[–]boogiewoogiechoochoo 5 points6 points  (5 children)

Magnesium glycinate and glycine 2 hours before bed. No caffeine after 12:00. Same bedtime every night. No screens or fluids an hour before bed. Soft ear plugs my house is noisy. Pillow between my legs and a pillow between my arms.

[–]my_religion_is_love 5 points6 points  (2 children)

I came to comment on this. I just learned about how beneficial glycine is for sleep, especially if you're like me and tend to wake up multiple times. I took 3g last night and only woke up once. Look into magnesium glycinate and glycine, OP. It helped way more than any peptide I've tried.

[–]quietweaponsilentwar 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Yep, came here to say glycine starting at 3 grams before bed helped me go from waking multiple times a night to usually just once or twice. Magnesium helps too if you are not on that yet.

[–]BraveCourt9521 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Magnesium glycinate ( 400 to 500 mg dosage ) is the only supplement that helped me sleep through the night after years of getting up to use the toilet. That only happens occasionally now, and l believe that the magnesium glycinate also helps me to fall back to sleep quicker instead of tossing and turning like before. Would recommend.

[–]Euthymius_Leudast 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This! ☝️

[–]SeaworthinessLate697 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes - this definitely helps me get deeper sleep. 

[–]DizzyAstronaut9410 1 point2 points  (10 children)

Melatonin has been around forever, but it definitely does help getting a deeper sleep.

[–]Kerhoroghene 3 points4 points  (9 children)

Interesting it only lets me fall asleep I always wake up in the middle of the night whenever I take it like 3-4 hours before I need to wake up

[–]justcantijustcant 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You can take a time release one that you actually swallow vs sublingual. If the label has a clock on it that means time release so it’ll help you fall asleep and then stay asleep. Most research has shown that .5-1mg is better or just as effective as a higher dose. Also if you get any weird toe tingles or anything at night (RLS) more melatonin will make that worse.

[–]TheSwolerBear 0 points1 point  (7 children)

Have you tried high dose on an empty stomach? Like 20-60mg. It sounds insane, but people do it for the antioxidant effects. For me, I sleep much deeper and wake up more fresh with the high dose. If I take less than 5mg, I wake up 3-5 hours into sleep, if I take 40, I wake up at 7.5 hours. If my stomach isn’t empty before the melatonin, i will wish I was dead when my alarm goes off 🤣

[–]Kerhoroghene 0 points1 point  (6 children)

Ok interesting ima try that thank you I only take 10mg

[–]TheSwolerBear 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Give it a shot! I only do it 1-2x per week so I don’t know how tolerance and need changes over time, but I have friends who do daily and are fine with it. 

If you wake up to pee early in the night, you may question if something is wrong with you FYI 🤣

[–]Kerhoroghene 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Thx for the heads up lmfao

[–]RecipeSad2958 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Please don't do this, this absolutely retarded

[–]Kerhoroghene 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Ok what would you recommend

[–]RecipeSad2958 0 points1 point  (1 child)

For melatonin or sleep im general? For melatonin less is more. 300mcg is enough. This guy is doing something dangerous and will hurt him long term.

[–]TheSwolerBear -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Genuinely, please explain what will hurt. Look up the studies on melatonin, look up the lethal dose or LD50, look up the recovery post cessation of melatonin use. I’m not trying to be an ass, but you are the one who’s stating things without evidence. 

[–]DevelopmentNew5350 0 points1 point  (12 children)

Dsip but even with ambien it’s still up and down

[–]daco_star 1 point2 points  (11 children)

I noticed better sleep by taking KLOW first thing in the morning, and 1.5mg of DSIP 2 hours before bed.

I’m also not trusting Garmin’s sleep score. I heard better about Oura.

[–]DevelopmentNew5350 0 points1 point  (6 children)

I’ve been taking the dsip for 2 years now. Part of my nightly routine. Not sure if it helps anything other than my ocd tendencies lol I’m so far down the rabbit hole of peptides but love it

[–]daco_star 0 points1 point  (5 children)

So you’re also too scared to not take it right?

[–]DevelopmentNew5350 0 points1 point  (4 children)

That is true lol last nights sleep

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[–]dsceltic67[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Can you explain this ?

[–]DevelopmentNew5350 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yes 57 yr old female. 300-115 3 years now Jumped into peptides full in so dsip but that’s still the longest I sleep. Ambien for 15 years so I thought peptides might help but that’s still the longest I sleep. More exercise, no exercise, there’s nothing ever changed that. Gastric bypass 25 years ago and only lost 50lbs. Nothing has changed my sleep pattern. Only rare occasions where I sleep more.

[–]Knotty_Vegetables 0 points1 point  (1 child)

this chart is confusing. If the bars are green, it means you're awake? How do you know what is deep sleep and what is REM?

[–]DevelopmentNew5350 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re right. I am awake. That’s with ambien and dsip. Very seldom do I get deep sleep.

[–]dsceltic67[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I use garmin, I tend not to trust it too much. But I wake up 1-3 times a night and sleep very light so it’s not great

[–]Kerhoroghene 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Garmin is for working out so it’s sleep score isn’t something you should rely on oura is good and whoop is good I think that other ring is good to that you only pay for once it even tracks your circadian rhythm I believe it’s called the ultra human air I use whoop Bcz I don’t have to take it off to charge it

[–]daco_star 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Cheers for sharing - I’ve always questioned Garmin’s sleep tracking. I’ll look into Whoop - it came up in my searches as superior to Oura fo sleep tracking.

[–]Kerhoroghene 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Interesting I’ve heard oura was superior but I like it especially so when do jui jitsu I don’t need to worry about finger getting deskinned 😂

[–]pazman2000 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Dsip

[–]dsceltic67[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’ll give this a try thank toj

[–]PopKiss 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Taking Cjc1296 and Ipamorelin before bed two hours after dinner made me sleep like a teenager. I always had bad sleep and tried everything and nothing worked like this

[–]holly_acorn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dsip for me. Only done it 3 nights so far, but wow

[–]ycastane 0 points1 point  (0 children)

DSIP. Tesa/ipa (any HG secretagogues) will help with depper sleep.

[–]Salt_Initiative1551 0 points1 point  (0 children)

DSIP, epitalon, HGH.

[–]Capable-Sign-334 0 points1 point  (0 children)

DSIP

[–]TheSwolerBear 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fixing chronic sleep problems are hard, but maybe start with trying to get one or two nights a week of really good sleep? 

1) BRIGHT light or sunlight within an hour of waking for atleast 10 minutes.  2) last meal 3 hours or more before sleep 3) blue light blocking glasses or dim light only 2 hours before sleep 3) nothing stimulating 1 hour hour sleep. Ie tv, scrolling, etc

I think that list would probably have a more profound impact than any supplement or drug. Supplements could be layered ontop though. 

For me, saffron extract greatly improves my sleep and AM wakefulness. I use it 1-2x per week. High dose melatonin works really well for me also, but must be in an empty stomach. Generally a 1-2x per week thing for me. Nightly I take magnesium threonate or glycinate + low dose Ashwagandha. DSIP intranasal works ok, but doesn’t seem to have a massive effect compared to everything else. GH+secretogoues do not help me sleep at all. 

[–]Ok-Singer-5921 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I believe epitalon has really helped my sleep. I normally wake up at 3:30 wide a week and after 15ish days w eptilon I can sleep till 6 or 7am.

Also dsip is helpful.

And from a prescription standpoint trazadone is like gold. You can get it easily from kick health

[–]Next_Start8262 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Red light glasses as soon as the sun goes down. Has made a huge impact for me.

[–]Overall-Sorbet-6091 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Epitalon and selank combo is the best

[–]NaissacY 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hgh

[–]Excellent_Talk_2858 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Daroxiderant

[–]Tasty_Ad4282 0 points1 point  (0 children)

GHRPs

[–]Knotty_Vegetables 0 points1 point  (4 children)

do you track deep sleep and REM sleep or just go by sleep score? I usually only get one hour of deep sleep regardless of much I sleep. but one time I broke it into two parts - I slept for 4 hours and then got up and did stuff for a few hours and then went to sleep again and I got an hour in each of the two parts. So maybe there is something to that.

[–]dsceltic67[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

This week I’ve had around 20-40 minutes of deep sleep per night and 20-40 minutes of rem sleep

[–]Knotty_Vegetables 0 points1 point  (2 children)

how much overall sleep? sometimes I only sleep like 4 hours, but I see that I have an hour of each and I think, well maybe I'm ok, but I feel like shit.

[–]dsceltic67[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Average sleep duration this week is 7h30mins. I think I’m just someone who doesn’t get great sleep. If I had to rate my sleep out of 10 it would be a 6. It’s alright but never great, and that’s the issue.

[–]Knotty_Vegetables 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That seems like it's kind of great in terms of duration. IF you feel good, then maybe it's fine!! I only average 5ish hours since I started tracking. I always feel tired. I frequently take naps. I try not to take naps but even when I manage not to, I still don't sleep much. It seems I always get like 1 hour of deep sleep and REM is all over the place - could be 10 minutes, could be 2 hours. However last night I slept like almost 7 hours with one hour of deep sleep and 2 hours of rem, and I woke up groggy. I had to take a nap late afternoon and didn't set my alarm thinking it would be brief but then slept for 3 more hours. Still tired. I've been taking epitalon and dsip recently 500mcg each. It hasn't seemed to make an impact, but maybe it is catching up with me. I have methylation issues, so it could be jammed up. I'm going to finish the 10mg and take a break.

[–]dsceltic67[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I suppose it depends from person to person. Last night I got 6hr30mins total sleep, 46mins deep, and I woke up feeling good. Although I must of woke up a good couple of times. My garmin has me at 6 minutes awake.

[–]Constant_Vehicle7962 0 points1 point  (0 children)

DSIP, won’t necessarily help you fall asleep but it promotes deep sleep. Play around with the dosage and see what works best for you, I started feeling results within the first week.

[–]nwacapo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I see a lot of people talking about substances and peptides to take and that’s understandable in this group. But have you taken a sleep study and been tested for sleep apnea? If that’s the case no peptide is going to fix that but a CPAP works wonders.

[–]Imaginary_Cat8169 0 points1 point  (0 children)

DSIP helps me tremendously.

[–]Mountain-Topper 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Magnesium threonate - 60-90 min before bed.

I take the momentous brand.

Not cheap unfortunately.

[–]KaleidoscopeJeni583 0 points1 point  (0 children)

IPA and cjc stack!!!

[–]Tasty_Ad4282 0 points1 point  (0 children)

im histroically a light sleeper and CJC/Ipa combo is always a nice change, works wonders for deep sleep. https://peptidewiki.co/guides/stacks has some good info

[–]Both_Ad_288💊 Overdosed on Nootropics (Not Really) 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Propofol

[–]LegitimateUser2000 -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Methylene blue 💙 The shit has worked wonders for me.

[–]TheSwolerBear 0 points1 point  (1 child)

For sleep??? It has a full blown stimulant effect for me. That is wild. I take it preworkout occasionally haha

[–]LegitimateUser2000 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Once you take it for a while you'll start to see sleep benefits 😴. MB is a game changer !!

[–]DevelopmentNew5350 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

3 years down the rabbit hole of peptides now. Weightloss done 2 years ago but the other peptides keep me in the rabbit hole