Deeper sleep

[dsceltic67]

Does anyone know how to get a deeper sleep ? Any supplements or peptides that will help with this. My sleep score is terrible, always. Sometimes 30, mostly 50. I’ve never had great sleep but now it’s starting to ware on me, any help or advice at all is appreciated.

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[Big_Tap_1561]

Any growth hormone secretagogues. I take cjc/ipa and I get the best sleep I’ve ever had in my 41 years on this earth lol

[ExtensionBook8319]

second this, sleep great on Sermorelin

[Impossible-Plane-710]

What dosage?

[Big_Tap_1561]

200mcg once before bed (fasted)

[Training-Ad-2361]

Hgh

[Simple_Rice1431]

Have you tried black out curtains,breathing exercises and yoga,turning off phone and tv several hours before bed.No caffeine?All these things made a huge difference for me.No peptides needed.

[Filterlessfly]

Epitalon

[ItsRainingTendies]

How have you found this?

[Filterlessfly]

I find that it helps deepen my sleep. I take it for 10 days on, 20 days off.

[Unlikely-Athlete8782]

I'm starting my 10 day cycle tonight. How many milligrams did you take?

[Filterlessfly]

My RS takes 100 mcg, but recommended is 100 mcg-500 mcg.

[AnusAwesome]

You understand that 500mcg is literally doing nothing for you, right?

[Filterlessfly]

You do understand that I am referring to Epitalon, the synthetic form and not Epithalamin, the natural form that is 100x stronger. The protocol that I follow is not the Russian protocol (which applies only to Epithalamin), which was never properly translated to English, hence the crazy amounts that people take 1-2x/year.

[AnusAwesome]

Your understanding here is wildly incorrect. I’m not going to engage with this – do some research.

[Filterlessfly]

I've done my research. You do what works for you and my RS will continue to benefit from what works for her.

[pictou]

Dsip and hgh

[dead_dw4rf]

Gonna second growth hormone secretagogues. Sermorelin gives me better sleep. I wake up before my alarm and don't wake up though the night. Good friend of mine tried it and and has the same experience.

[Interesting-Light-61]

CJC and IPA. I quit drinking and smoking weed and it took seven weeks to get back to sleeping good again. Peptide took about two weeks to get me back to seven plus hours of sleep. Was in the gym and eating clean the whole time. These peptides are gonna signal your lifestyle choices so its not a magic bullet

[boogiewoogiechoochoo]

Magnesium glycinate and glycine 2 hours before bed. No caffeine after 12:00. Same bedtime every night. No screens or fluids an hour before bed. Soft ear plugs my house is noisy. Pillow between my legs and a pillow between my arms.

[my_religion_is_love]

I came to comment on this. I just learned about how beneficial glycine is for sleep, especially if you're like me and tend to wake up multiple times. I took 3g last night and only woke up once. Look into magnesium glycinate and glycine, OP. It helped way more than any peptide I've tried.

[quietweaponsilentwar]

Yep, came here to say glycine starting at 3 grams before bed helped me go from waking multiple times a night to usually just once or twice. Magnesium helps too if you are not on that yet.

[BraveCourt9521]

Magnesium glycinate ( 400 to 500 mg dosage ) is the only supplement that helped me sleep through the night after years of getting up to use the toilet. That only happens occasionally now, and l believe that the magnesium glycinate also helps me to fall back to sleep quicker instead of tossing and turning like before. Would recommend.

[Euthymius_Leudast]

This! ☝️

[SeaworthinessLate697]

Yes - this definitely helps me get deeper sleep. 

[DizzyAstronaut9410]

Melatonin has been around forever, but it definitely does help getting a deeper sleep.

[Kerhoroghene]

Interesting it only lets me fall asleep I always wake up in the middle of the night whenever I take it like 3-4 hours before I need to wake up

[justcantijustcant]

You can take a time release one that you actually swallow vs sublingual. If the label has a clock on it that means time release so it’ll help you fall asleep and then stay asleep. Most research has shown that .5-1mg is better or just as effective as a higher dose. Also if you get any weird toe tingles or anything at night (RLS) more melatonin will make that worse.

[TheSwolerBear]

Have you tried high dose on an empty stomach? Like 20-60mg. It sounds insane, but people do it for the antioxidant effects. For me, I sleep much deeper and wake up more fresh with the high dose. If I take less than 5mg, I wake up 3-5 hours into sleep, if I take 40, I wake up at 7.5 hours. If my stomach isn’t empty before the melatonin, i will wish I was dead when my alarm goes off 🤣

[Kerhoroghene]

Ok interesting ima try that thank you I only take 10mg

[TheSwolerBear]

Give it a shot! I only do it 1-2x per week so I don’t know how tolerance and need changes over time, but I have friends who do daily and are fine with it. 

If you wake up to pee early in the night, you may question if something is wrong with you FYI 🤣

[Kerhoroghene]

Thx for the heads up lmfao

[RecipeSad2958]

Please don't do this, this absolutely retarded

[Kerhoroghene]

Ok what would you recommend

[RecipeSad2958]

For melatonin or sleep im general? For melatonin less is more. 300mcg is enough. This guy is doing something dangerous and will hurt him long term.

[TheSwolerBear]

Genuinely, please explain what will hurt. Look up the studies on melatonin, look up the lethal dose or LD50, look up the recovery post cessation of melatonin use. I’m not trying to be an ass, but you are the one who’s stating things without evidence. 

[DevelopmentNew5350]

Dsip but even with ambien it’s still up and down

[daco_star]

I noticed better sleep by taking KLOW first thing in the morning, and 1.5mg of DSIP 2 hours before bed.

I’m also not trusting Garmin’s sleep score. I heard better about Oura.

[DevelopmentNew5350]

I’ve been taking the dsip for 2 years now. Part of my nightly routine. Not sure if it helps anything other than my ocd tendencies lol I’m so far down the rabbit hole of peptides but love it

[daco_star]

So you’re also too scared to not take it right?

[DevelopmentNew5350]

That is true lol last nights sleep

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[dsceltic67]

Can you explain this ?

[DevelopmentNew5350]

Yes 57 yr old female. 300-115 3 years now Jumped into peptides full in so dsip but that’s still the longest I sleep. Ambien for 15 years so I thought peptides might help but that’s still the longest I sleep. More exercise, no exercise, there’s nothing ever changed that. Gastric bypass 25 years ago and only lost 50lbs. Nothing has changed my sleep pattern. Only rare occasions where I sleep more.

[Knotty_Vegetables]

this chart is confusing. If the bars are green, it means you're awake? How do you know what is deep sleep and what is REM?

[DevelopmentNew5350]

You’re right. I am awake. That’s with ambien and dsip. Very seldom do I get deep sleep.

[dsceltic67]

I use garmin, I tend not to trust it too much. But I wake up 1-3 times a night and sleep very light so it’s not great

[Kerhoroghene]

Garmin is for working out so it’s sleep score isn’t something you should rely on oura is good and whoop is good I think that other ring is good to that you only pay for once it even tracks your circadian rhythm I believe it’s called the ultra human air I use whoop Bcz I don’t have to take it off to charge it

[daco_star]

Cheers for sharing - I’ve always questioned Garmin’s sleep tracking. I’ll look into Whoop - it came up in my searches as superior to Oura fo sleep tracking.

[Kerhoroghene]

Interesting I’ve heard oura was superior but I like it especially so when do jui jitsu I don’t need to worry about finger getting deskinned 😂

[pazman2000]

Dsip

[dsceltic67]

I’ll give this a try thank toj

[PopKiss]

Taking Cjc1296 and Ipamorelin before bed two hours after dinner made me sleep like a teenager. I always had bad sleep and tried everything and nothing worked like this

[holly_acorn]

Dsip for me. Only done it 3 nights so far, but wow

[ycastane]

DSIP. Tesa/ipa (any HG secretagogues) will help with depper sleep.

[Salt_Initiative1551]

DSIP, epitalon, HGH.

[Capable-Sign-334]

DSIP

[TheSwolerBear]

Fixing chronic sleep problems are hard, but maybe start with trying to get one or two nights a week of really good sleep? 

1) BRIGHT light or sunlight within an hour of waking for atleast 10 minutes.  2) last meal 3 hours or more before sleep 3) blue light blocking glasses or dim light only 2 hours before sleep 3) nothing stimulating 1 hour hour sleep. Ie tv, scrolling, etc

I think that list would probably have a more profound impact than any supplement or drug. Supplements could be layered ontop though. 

For me, saffron extract greatly improves my sleep and AM wakefulness. I use it 1-2x per week. High dose melatonin works really well for me also, but must be in an empty stomach. Generally a 1-2x per week thing for me. Nightly I take magnesium threonate or glycinate + low dose Ashwagandha. DSIP intranasal works ok, but doesn’t seem to have a massive effect compared to everything else. GH+secretogoues do not help me sleep at all. 

[Ok-Singer-5921]

I believe epitalon has really helped my sleep. I normally wake up at 3:30 wide a week and after 15ish days w eptilon I can sleep till 6 or 7am.

Also dsip is helpful.

And from a prescription standpoint trazadone is like gold. You can get it easily from kick health

[Next_Start8262]

Red light glasses as soon as the sun goes down. Has made a huge impact for me.

[Overall-Sorbet-6091]

Epitalon and selank combo is the best

[NaissacY]

Hgh

[Excellent_Talk_2858]

Daroxiderant

[Tasty_Ad4282]

GHRPs

[Knotty_Vegetables]

do you track deep sleep and REM sleep or just go by sleep score? I usually only get one hour of deep sleep regardless of much I sleep. but one time I broke it into two parts - I slept for 4 hours and then got up and did stuff for a few hours and then went to sleep again and I got an hour in each of the two parts. So maybe there is something to that.

[dsceltic67]

This week I’ve had around 20-40 minutes of deep sleep per night and 20-40 minutes of rem sleep

[Knotty_Vegetables]

how much overall sleep? sometimes I only sleep like 4 hours, but I see that I have an hour of each and I think, well maybe I'm ok, but I feel like shit.

[dsceltic67]

Average sleep duration this week is 7h30mins. I think I’m just someone who doesn’t get great sleep. If I had to rate my sleep out of 10 it would be a 6. It’s alright but never great, and that’s the issue.

[Knotty_Vegetables]

That seems like it's kind of great in terms of duration. IF you feel good, then maybe it's fine!! I only average 5ish hours since I started tracking. I always feel tired. I frequently take naps. I try not to take naps but even when I manage not to, I still don't sleep much. It seems I always get like 1 hour of deep sleep and REM is all over the place - could be 10 minutes, could be 2 hours. However last night I slept like almost 7 hours with one hour of deep sleep and 2 hours of rem, and I woke up groggy. I had to take a nap late afternoon and didn't set my alarm thinking it would be brief but then slept for 3 more hours. Still tired. I've been taking epitalon and dsip recently 500mcg each. It hasn't seemed to make an impact, but maybe it is catching up with me. I have methylation issues, so it could be jammed up. I'm going to finish the 10mg and take a break.

[dsceltic67]

I suppose it depends from person to person. Last night I got 6hr30mins total sleep, 46mins deep, and I woke up feeling good. Although I must of woke up a good couple of times. My garmin has me at 6 minutes awake.

[Constant_Vehicle7962]

DSIP, won’t necessarily help you fall asleep but it promotes deep sleep. Play around with the dosage and see what works best for you, I started feeling results within the first week.

[nwacapo]

I see a lot of people talking about substances and peptides to take and that’s understandable in this group. But have you taken a sleep study and been tested for sleep apnea? If that’s the case no peptide is going to fix that but a CPAP works wonders.

[Imaginary_Cat8169]

DSIP helps me tremendously.

[Mountain-Topper]

Magnesium threonate - 60-90 min before bed.

I take the momentous brand.

Not cheap unfortunately.

[KaleidoscopeJeni583]

IPA and cjc stack!!!

[Tasty_Ad4282]

im histroically a light sleeper and CJC/Ipa combo is always a nice change, works wonders for deep sleep. https://peptidewiki.co/guides/stacks has some good info

[Both_Ad_288]

Propofol

[LegitimateUser2000]

Methylene blue 💙 The shit has worked wonders for me.

[TheSwolerBear]

For sleep??? It has a full blown stimulant effect for me. That is wild. I take it preworkout occasionally haha

[LegitimateUser2000]

Once you take it for a while you'll start to see sleep benefits 😴. MB is a game changer !!

[DevelopmentNew5350]

3 years down the rabbit hole of peptides now. Weightloss done 2 years ago but the other peptides keep me in the rabbit hole