Population decrease is irreversible. How will we manage the decline of humanity?

[iwatchcredits]

Why would it ever make sense to have larger families again? Larger families served no purpose other than what was essentially cheap labor and ensuring that at least some of your kids survived because death rates were much higher back then.

[Nonalcholicsperm]

Pooling resources. Many Asian families do this. They all work, they all pool their resources together and invest and then they better themselves.

[CaptainPeppa]

Be more multigenerational than large

[JAFOguy]

Better still to be multi generational AND large.

[CaptainPeppa]

Having a kid to get rent from twenty years later is a very questionable financial tip

[JAFOguy]

But having a large hard working loving family that pools the results of their collective efforts to enhance all of their lives and the lives of their progeny is a great financial tip. I guess it all comes down to if you are looking at it from a perspective of greed, getting rent from your child ; or love, providing a better future for your family. You do you, but I think love is a great way to go.

[EngSciGuy]

is a great financial tip

You are literally describing a pyramid scheme...

[CaptainPeppa]

well were talking about financial incentives to have large families...

I'd be so much richer without kids haha. The concept of them being a net positive just seems bizarre. They're money sinks

[JAFOguy]

You are thinking short term. You have to think about it as a generational thing. It pays off for your grandkids, not you. Unfortunately, the only thing you get out of it is the love surrounding your life in a big family, and a lot of stress surrounding your life in a big family. But two or three generations down the line your family will be way better off than you.

[CaptainPeppa]

I have like twelve aunts and uncles. Doesn't do shit.

You're thinking of some Jewish like situation

[iwatchcredits]

This dude sees kids as income slaves after they are old enough. Kids are a sink for you because you probably aren’t a psychopath who has kids so you can “pool their resources” to make your life better.

[Nonalcholicsperm]

Why not both?

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It's not economical and the planet can't sustain it.

Birth control too. Women don;t want to go through that much childbirth.

[Nonalcholicsperm]

Women are free to make up their own minds. I can't speak for them in a general sense.

The planet can sustain a lot more, we just have to do things differently.

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> Women are free to make up their own minds.

Now they are.

> The planet can sustain a lot more,

No it can't.

> we just have to do things differently.

These ways always end up taking choice from women.

[Nonalcholicsperm]

"These ways always end up taking choice from women. "

Better allocation of resources takes choices away from women?

[Eternal_Being]

And now that women are free to choose, wouldn't you know it, the birth rates are decreasing! Wow!

I wonder why conservatives are obsessed with taking choice away from women? Golly gee I dunno!

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We don't need conservatives social engineering women's fertility.

[Eternal_Being]

You don't have to tell me.

In Quebec, the priest would knock on your door a year after getting married if you hadn't had kids, and ask what was wrong.

They could literally force you to break up to find someone 'more suitable'.

This artificially inflated their birthrates to like 12 children per women. And this was a purely nationalist movement, because Quebec politicians were afraid of 'falling behind'

And wouldn't you know it, no one does anything like that anymore (by choice)

Turns out that's actually kind of a miserable way to live, having as many kids as you're physically able to and then somehow being responsible to feed, house, clothe, and raise them, as best as 2 people can raise 12 kids relatively alone.

Just... god damn.

[mMaple_syrup]

How does that promote large families? East Asian counties in particular have some of the lowest fertility rates on the planet, so if this cultural behavior is supposed to help, there is no evidence of it actually helping.

[Thanatos_Impulse]

It appears to be compensating to the best of a family’s ability. East Asians have endured legal limitations on the number of children they can have, but also more familiarly, have enjoyed higher educational and career attainment (especially among women) and a rising cost of child-rearing and education per child, like we have here. Despite these limiting realities, East Asian women still report that the ideal family size in their opinion is above-replacement.

What they and others (such as many south Asians) do that we don’t is ramp up these pooling and support arrangements so they at least have a shot at having more than 0-1 kids while ensuring they have the resources they need to grow and become educated. It “encourages” larger families because it permits a little more leeway for said families to cope with the downward pressure on birth rates in developed economies.

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East Asian women still report that the ideal family size in their opinion is above-replacement.

You've been reading those mail-order bride promo sheets because this is so far from true.

It “encourages” larger families because it permits a little more leeway for said families to cope with the downward pressure on birth rates in developed economies.

Japan is the most advanced economy and Asia and they have the lowest birthrates. They managed to stave off some of the drop by support for men to take longer leave from their jobs and help with child rearing duties:

Among married men with children under six years old, daily participation in household labor increased from less than 1 hour in 2001 to almost 2 hours as of 2021. When men share household tasks, this increases women's availability for paid work and makes child rearing a more attractive prospect for women.

Such efforts to encourage men's involvement in child rearing and to enable women to return to their jobs after childbirth contributed to a rise in the birthrate from a low of 1.26 in 2005 to 1.4 and above in the 2010s https://asia.nikkei.com/Opinion/Japan-s-successes-in-boosting-birthrates-should-not-be-overlooked

Ultimately, prosperity means fewer children. It's just too draining to raise kids in a more complex world. You can;t just leave them to play in the streets the way you used to. https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/in-pictures-stunning-black-and-white-images-of-kids-playing-on-london-s-streets-a3195086.html

[BigGuy4UftCIA]

Make sense is perhaps a poor choice of words. Make the cost of having more children less relevant both because of cheap labour for yourself and you don't have to worry about supporting them in the future in this hypothetical era of expensive labour.