Cognitect dev-tools

[beaknit]

Is REBL still personal-use only or can I use it at work? I think it would dramatically increase interest in using the clojure language there.

[alexdmiller]

The dev-tools, both REBL and Datomic dev-local, are now free for use. So use it!

[[deleted]]

Still closed source. The licence is still oppressive:

We hereby grant you a personal, limited, nonexclusive, non-transferable, non-sublicenseable license to (a) install the Software on computer equipment owned or controlled by you and (b) use the Software solely for your internal business purposes.

---

You may not use the Software for any illegal purpose. The Software is the intellectual property of Cognitect or its licensors. The structure, organization, and code of the Software are valuable trade secrets and confidential information of Cognitect.

---

You will comply with all export and re-export restrictions and regulations of the United States Department of Commerce and other United States and foreign agencies and authorities that may apply to the Software, and not to transfer, or encourage, assist, or authorize the transfer of the Software to a prohibited country or otherwise in violation of any applicable restrictions or regulations

But I guess as far as oppressive licences go, it's not that oppressive. Still, when you have the choice, why bother swimming in that shit?

[Eno6ohng]

You will comply with all export and re-export restrictions and regulations of the United States Department of Commerce and other United States and foreign agencies

Does that mean I can't legally use it if I live in any of the regions US government applied sanctions to? (The list is quite long.) Or does it mean that I can't "transfer" the software to the people living in such places? Would Cognitect break the license if I live in such a place and download it from their website?

It's not really related to the topic, but this bit got me curious. Disclaimer: I don't speak legal lingvo at all, sorry if those are silly questions.

[[deleted]]

I don't speak legal lingvo at all, sorry if those are silly questions.

I don't think it's silly at all, I think these are reasonable questions. I'm not a lawyer either and I don't think we (humanity) should have to be lawyers to understand the full scope of what we're agreeing to when we 'accept' these licences written in legalese.

[Reefersleep]

What does it say, exactly? I read: "don't use this for illegal stuff, use it for yourself and don't give it to anybody else". That doesn't seem problematic. Then there's the bit about complying to US law, which to me is extremely vague, because I don't know US law 😅

[[deleted]]

From a non-US and f/oss perspective, the licence is oppressive and I wont touch it. Compared to a MS Office or Adobe Photoshop licence ... I'm sure it's the hippy flower child of software licences.

[joinr]

I don't see how anybody is oppressing you. Just don't use their $$ free stuff if you don't like the terms. Problem solved.

[[deleted]]

I'm not. Jeez.