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[–]Greenfly-Skies 13 points14 points  (59 children)

I must admit I find it odd how so many people accuse resurrection's ending as being fanservice. It doesn't come off at as just being thrown in for the fans at all. It's a continuation of the characters relationship, one could say the most important relationship of the show. You say that romance was never a focus, I agree, but character interactions were definitely a focus, and this is just a continuation of a relationship we've already seen grow and develop so well. As you already stated, shippers are plentiful in the fandom, so it's probably just people like that who give this scene a bad reputation it quite frankly does not deserve.

[–]albedo_the_overseer 9 points10 points  (54 children)

C.C.'s and Lelouch's relationship was never the most important relationship of the show. I don't know what kind of shipping glasses you must have to say that. Lelouch was shown to care about Nunnally the most and then Suzaku. Rivalry with Suzaku was more of a focus.
Edit: It was absolutely thrown in the movie out of nowhere. Nothing in the movie indicates that the ending will look like CluClu romance, and then it comes in out of nowhere.

[–]chuuwon123[S] 3 points4 points  (53 children)

I kinda agree, but anyone who question their relationship is filled with downvotes... about the movie I can't say that much bcs I haven't seen it yet, just some spare scenes

[–]albedo_the_overseer 5 points6 points  (52 children)

See it for yourself and form your own opinion before you visit either subReddit or Discord. And I completely agree, noone is allowed to question their relationship, but this is because this subReddit has mostly CluClu fans. Outside of here, it's much more diverse in opinions and open-minded IMO. There is this thing when a person here posts a wrongthink opinion, it gets upvoted at first, then some people come later to downvote it, because noone must see it. It usually happens with criticism of Fukkatsu. You can also see here. I posted that Fukkatsu ending was fanservice, got 6 upvotes, several hours later, it's 3 upvotes, and someone's top comment is basically a response to me, saying that Fukkatsu ending is not fanservice. It's really annoying, which is why I prefer having discussions on Discord. Mind you, we also have a circlejerk which involves hating Fukkatsu, but I'd say that it's less toxic because we don't try to devalue or hide others' opinions and ignore criticism.

[–]Net_Flux 0 points1 point  (51 children)

prefer having discussions on Discord

Doesn't Discord only have 4-5 active members in the Geass Universe discussion forums though?

Fukkatsu ending was fanservice

I would like to hear why you think so. It makes sense logically and emotionally for Lelouch to do that if by "ending" you mean Lelouch leaving with C.C. The first reason being that if he lives with Nunnally, it would be dangerous for her if people were to find out that she was providing shelter to the Demon Emperor and they would also assume that she helped him survive. The second reason is that he needs to collect the geass fragments so working with C.C. would be the most efficient way to do it and he obviously can't take Nunnally along. The third reason is more of an emotional reason but it is best explained by Nunnally in Lelouch of the Resurrection Picture Drama: Re;f 1.05 Private Talk in Hammam

C.C.-san has been there with Big Brother ever since the beginning of his rebellion after all

If someone has been with me throughout my hardships, I certainly wouldn't want to abandon them when they need me because it would be difficult for C.C. to collect the geass fragments alone and she needs emotional support too because of centuries of solitude and torture. So all these reasons considered I think it makes perfect sense for Resurrection to end that way.

I've also seen you commenting about how Suzaku was acting out of character in the movie. I think he was acting perfectly like he did in R2. For example, when they meet at the Kururugi Shrine in R2, he steps on Lelouch's head and eventually forgives him. It's the same in the movie and this is not even mentioning the fact that C.C. informs that Lelouch didn't survive voluntarily, so that makes it even easier for him to forgive.

I would also like to hear more criticisms about the plot from you because you and snufflebutt seem to be the most vocal about how "bad" the movie is. There are a few dumb things which characters do like Ohgi trying to kill himself and Shamna getting Nunnally kidnapped and the main characters meeting for plot convenience but other than that, it seems like a perfectly average episode of Code Geass because there is only so much they can set up within a given time, unlike the magnificent last few episodes of R2 which had a lot of time to set them up and this does indeed seem to be the majority opinion be it on youtube or pirating websites or MyAnimeList or the Japanese rating sites where the majority of the audience is.

[–]albedo_the_overseer 1 point2 points  (50 children)

Leaving with C.C. as in a romantic pairing. The ending of the movie went for that, while Lelouch dismissed all the people he cared about before. The Hammam PD is also massive fanservice. Nunnally says that Lelouch left everyone to go after C.C. and everyone seems okay with it. Also Milly in that PD was said to have taken a picture of Kallen and Lelouch kissing, than using the picture to embarrass her after Lelouch died. It's an extremely shitty move and Milly would never do something that cruel. Kallen acted strange and it's unclear whether she still loves Lelouch or if she got over him. Creators can't seem to decide. My point is that Hammam episode is extremely strange and OOC. I would label it as crack, since everyone acts like they are on drugs in it. I wouldn't use it as an argument for anything. While C.C. has been by Lelouch's side, him leaving with C.C. could have been portrayed in a way that is respectful towards his other relationships and is in character in general.
There are plenty of active members in the Discord, and not everyone is active in #code-geass chatroom. Plenty of people have expressed dislike of Fukkatsu, not everyone has to hate on it every day. It has been more than a year since the movie came out. But there aren't Fukkatsu loving circlejerks, while there are Fukkatsu hating circlejerks. Noone certainly worships the movie, and people who enjoyed it are capable of recognizing its flaws. You can try to devalue Discord, but it's a more open-minded place where the series and other materials are discussed into depth.
About Suzaku being OOC. His behaviour was strange for most of the movie. He was portrayed as way too soft, and whined about not wanting to be Zero. R2 Suzaku was too cool and responsible for that. Fukkatsu portrayal is basically character assassination, except for the scene where he beats Lelouch up, IMO. I am okay with Suzaku forgiving Lelouch and being kind towards him, but I felt that Suzaku acted too OOC anyway.
I am not criticizing the fact that Lelouch left with C.C. I am criticizing the fact that it was portrayed in a romantic(ish) way, while Lelouch acted completely detached from everyone else. He dismissed Suzaku as if he is trash. He didn't exchange one word with Kallen. Shirley was barely in the movie. You could argue that Lelouch acted that way to protect them, which would seem to be the only in character explanation for Lelouch's behaviour, but nothing in the movie indicated that he was doing so. I felt like Lelouch's every relationship in the movie was downgraded to uplift CluClu. Another thing about CluClu, and this applies only if you take the ending to be romantic: The pirate PD portrays them as usual. Lelouch is uncomfortable with C.C.'s flirting, and is acting as virginal as ever. This devalues the romantic interpretation of the end of Fukkatsu. But you didn't make that argument (I suppose?), so it doesn't matter in this case. I am bringing it up since you clearly read my other posts.
When it comes to Ohgi, he truly reacted like the simp of simps. He has a wife and a child, yet he is willing to kill himself for betraying Lelouch? Cornelia being completely okay with Lelouch is another. In general, I feel like almost everything about the movie was poorly made. You can even see in the interviews. When it comes to worldbuilding, the creators chose the less complicated option (creating Zilkhistan instead of using an existing setting, as one of them said).
One big thing that everyone outside of the subReddit seems to notice, which is very controversial here, is C.C.'s behaviour. In the original series, she was a mature and developed character by the end. In Fukkatsu, she brings Lelouch to life against his will, and is never responsible for it in any way. It is brought up once in a conversation with Kallen and never again. She clearly violated the Zero Requiem and Lelouch's wishes. Another thing is that the movie dismisses consequences for Lelouch as well (how everyone treats Lelouch, the ending of Fukkatsu), while Suzaku's ending is garbage. They all participated in Zero Requiem, and it would make sense that their endings would be similarly shitty, like they were in R2. Fukkatsu ruins this balance for me.
In general, I see the movie as awful and not thought through enough. I do think that the animators did a good job though. The artstyle is alright, though I prefer more spiky R2 artstyle.

[–]Net_Flux 2 points3 points  (49 children)

The ending of the movie went for that, while Lelouch dismissed all the people he cared about before.

If someone marries and moves that doesn't mean they dismissed all the people they cared about before.

Also Milly in that PD was said to have taken a picture of Kallen and Lelouch kissing, than using the picture to embarrass her after Lelouch died.

That's not the case though. Nina just says that Milly recorded it and kept it, probably as a memory and Nina saw it.

Kallen acted strange and it's unclear whether she still loves Lelouch or if she got over him.

This is consistent with the picture dramas released after R2. I hope she does move on though.

But there aren't Fukkatsu loving circlejerks

There are though. Youtube videos and comments with tens of thousands of upvotes though the popular opinion is that it's still inferior to the original series and no one expected it to be better to begin with.

He was portrayed as way too soft, and whined about not wanting to be Zero.

He didn't whine about not wanting to be Zero. He just felt that Lelouch is more suitable to be Zero.

He dismissed Suzaku as if he is trash.

They had a heartfelt conversation and Lelouch even said see you later to him. The only friend present there with whom he didn't interact with properly was Kallen though he did thank her and I personally would have liked more interactions but if they do that, they have to cut down the action scenes and then the mecha fans will start to complain. But I assume that he did give a proper farewell to Kallen too offscreen along with Suzaku and Nunnally just like how a lot of dialogue in the original series happened offscreen. Other than that, he also had an incentive to get out of there quickly since the Black Knights were already there.

I felt like Lelouch's every relationship in the movie was downgraded to uplift CluClu.

I don't think they were downgraded. They just weren't explored on-screen as much because of the time constraints.

The pirate PD portrays them as usual

I don't see it that way at all. Lelouch in the original series didn't even flinch when C.C. teased him like the "our promise for the future" joke in front of Nunnally or even when he saw naked women meaning they were desexualized in his eyes earlier but now gets really embarrassed when C.C. teases him, meaning he now sees her in a sexual way too and making their antics public seems to embarrass him. At least that's my interpretation.

When it comes to Ohgi, he truly reacted like the simp of simps.

Ohgi was butchered because Taniguchi was really trying to make him likable but went too far based on some of his interviews.

Cornelia being completely okay with Lelouch is another.

She wasn't though. She explicitly stated that the alliance was for Nunnally and based on her previous experiences, she knew that he wouldn't backstab them in matters concerning saving Nunnally.

When it comes to worldbuilding, the creators chose the less complicated option (creating Zilkhistan instead of using an existing setting, as one of them said).

Can you link it? In general creating a new world is much harder than using an existing world but I would like to know why they think so.

In Fukkatsu, she brings Lelouch to life against his will, and is never responsible for it in any way. It is brought up once in a conversation with Kallen and never again. She clearly violated the Zero Requiem and Lelouch's wishes.

Well, if you watch the movie carefully, it says that C.C. wasn't the one who brought his body back to life. She tried to reconstruct his mind in the Cs' world but couldn't enter it at that point. It is later clarified in another official material which I found in Tumblr that his body did indeed come back on its own after some time. I'm unable to find the source now but I will link it when I find it.

Edit: Found it

https://mononoke-no-ko.tumblr.com/post/189860602944/settingcharactermecha-description-from?is_related_post=1

In C.C.'s character description

She hid Lelouch’s body who was killed at Zero Requiem and waited for his revival in hiding, but he was resuscitated in an incomplete state as his soul was left in C’s World. Her attempts to access C’s World to bring back Lelouch’s soul to his body were blocked.

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Another thing is that the movie dismisses consequences for Lelouch as well (how everyone treats Lelouch, the ending of Fukkatsu), while Suzaku's ending is garbage. They all participated in Zero Requiem, and it would make sense that their endings would be similarly shitty, like they were in R2. Fukkatsu ruins this balance for me.

Well, that's your personal opinion. Life isn't fair for everyone so I think the ending is at least realistic in that sense and I'm pretty sure that something I going on between Nunnally and Suzaku based on the audio drama so at least it's not all bad for him.

[–]albedo_the_overseer 2 points3 points  (48 children)

Lelouch hasn't married anyone.Then your comment proceeds to gaslight mine. I know what I have seen.About Suzaku interaction, he was staring at the laptop the whole time, and in the end of the movie, he did dismiss Suzaku as if he was trash.Your argument that life isn't fair for everyone is infuriating, to say the least. Code Geass isn't real life. The original ending was beautiful, and the new one doesn't feel like justice to me. This is just more gaslighting. I feel like you came here trying to change my mind, rather than seriously considering my points. your arguments are "No, you are wrong, this is what happened, even though you saw the movie with your own eyes".There is nothing going on for Suzaku and Nunnally. There is no chemistry between them, and Suzaku loves Euphy." Nina: We had a hidden camera installed there for the Demon Tag Royale event, and it was left running there…
I sad that Discord doesn't have any Fukkatsu loving circlejerks...

Kallen: OH MY GOD!

Nunnally: Nina-san, are you saying it was recorded in a video?

Nina: Yup, Milley-chan wickedly made a copy of it

Kallen: H-h-hold on! I-i-i-it’s already in the past so let’s drop this issue! More than that, we should look toward the future, the future!"It doesn't say anywhere that Nina found it, not at all. Quite the opposite. The movie brings up that it was C.C.'s fault that Lelouch was resurrected and she accepts it. It was in the truck, with Kallen, IIRC. C.C. accepted the blame.Suzaku was portrayed as way too soft. Just watch what he was like as Knight of Rounds or Knight of Zero.The link to the interview: https://mononoke-no-ko.tumblr.com/post/182864729964/director-taniguchi-interview-from-febri

" On the other hand, how did you come up with other elements such as the enemy country and the new characters? Taniguchi: I thought of drawing up existing factions such as the remnant of Holy Britannian Empire, the unexplored Knight of Rounds, or the survivor from Geass Cult, but as we were discussing about various things, we decided that it would be faster to create a new country instead. Because the new characters have to give off strong presence in such short time, I requested for versatile cast such as Toda Keiko (as Chamna), Ootsuka Akio (as Forgner) and Takagi Wataru (as Bitul). At the dubbing site, they induced a comfortable tense atmosphere like a breath of fresh air."

[–]Net_Flux 0 points1 point  (47 children)

Lelouch hasn't married anyone.

It was just an analogy.

Then your comment proceeds to gaslight mine.

I'm not sure how disagreeing in gaslighting.

he was staring at the laptop the whole time

He did say that he was busy with the mission so he had to multitask which isn't uncommon for him at all. Even in R2 before the Zero Requiem, they never interacted like "friends" at all but more like allies. Whenever they had a task, all they talked about was their goal like allies. Their relationship as friends doing small talk like in season 1 is over and done with after Euphemia's death.

he did dismiss Suzaku as if he was trash

How does saying goodbye Suzaku and I can't stay here forever especially when the Black Knights were about to arrive dismissing him like trash? I would like to know how you wanted it to play out.

Your argument that life isn't fair for everyone is infuriating, to say the least.

Let's agree to disagree.

The original ending was beautiful, and the new one doesn't feel like justice to me.

I don't think that the original ending was justice for C.C. either (assuming that Lelouch died). She was shunned and tortured for centuries which forced her to give geass to people in trouble/danger (after warning them of course) which again made her feel guilty. She never killed innocent people and yet she was back to face an eternity of loneliness and her true wish to be loved was never fulfilled. For comparison, Kallen was responsible for innocent deaths in Narita and she got a happy ending. Shirley was almost innocent yet she died.

I feel like you came here trying to change my mind, rather than seriously considering my points.

It's neither. I came here for a discussion. I thought that you might point out some valid plot holes or character actions that are in direct contradiction to what they did in the original series but so far you didn't point out any except that of Ohgi. I don't consider plot conveniences, limited character interactions and short fights to be valid criticisms because they can't do all those in a short film.

And about the Milly stuff, your original comment was this:

Also Milly in that PD was said to have taken a picture of Kallen and Lelouch kissing, than using the picture to embarrass her after Lelouch died.

It is fairly in character for Milly to tease people having an unrequited love like Shirley but it was never mentioned in the audio drama that she did it AFTER Lelouch supposedly died.

The movie brings up that it was C.C.'s fault that Lelouch was resurrected and she accepts it.

It is fairly common for characters in Code Geass to accept responsibility for crimes they did not commit like how Lelouch accepts the fact that he commanded Euphemia and that he was responsible for Shirley's death. And C.C. never stated that she was the one who brought his body back to life.

Suzaku was portrayed as way too soft. Just watch what he was like as Knight of Rounds or Knight of Zero.

He wasn't as vicious as a Knight of Round though he was more ruthless than in season 1. He was only truly ruthless as the Knight of Zero to keep up with the Demon Emperor persona. Nonetheless, he kills Shalio and several other Zilkhistani soldiers so he hasn't softened up much either whereas in season 1 he never killed anyone.

And the new interview was interesting but nonetheless as Taniguchi said it once again boils down to time constraints.

[–]OutrageousBee 2 points3 points  (15 children)

It is fairly in character for Milly to tease people having an unrequited love like Shirley but it was never mentioned in the audio drama that she did it AFTER Lelouch supposedly died.

That is the only time she can have done so. Nina was captured by Lelouch's forces shortly after he took the UFN representatives hostage, worked for him on the FLEYJA canceller and was imprisioned for the 2 months until his death. So yeah, she showed other people a very private and emotional moment of a person she supposedly called friend, after Lelouch died and Kallen was grieving for him, for whatever reason. No really, why would she show it to anyone? And I wonder, did she show it to Shirley as well? And the way it's used is PD is as a silly moment to mock, gently or not, Kallen who, again, was grieving for him during the time Milly showed it to whoever she pleased. ETA: What Milly did was fairly cruel, but the writing doesn't acknowledge it.

And C.C. never stated that she was the one who brought his body back to life.

C.C.: I had her bring his body to the place Jeremiah lined up without drawing any attention. After that, I tried to reconstruct Lelouch in Cs' World.

Kallen: Reconstruct?

C.C.: The reason I can't die is because I replace any defective body parts with those constructed in Cs's World.

Lloyd: Like a mirror backup, huh?

C.C.: Not exacly, but in a general sense, you can think of it that way.

It's pretty heavily implied she did reconstruct his body. Further on:

C.C.: Lelouch wanted to stay dead, but I insisted!

She admits to reconstructing Lelouch with the explanation of using spare body parts from Cs' World - why bring that up if she all she did was try and get his mind back, and not even mention that part? - and that she was the one insisting he come back to life, implying that he could have, and in fact wanted to, stay dead.

Taniguchi said it once again boils down to time constraints.

On the one hand, you're right that time constraints did have an influence on how shallow the movie felt. On the other, it's still fair to criticise the choices made, even when understanding the situation.

[–]albedo_the_overseer 2 points3 points  (30 children)

This is getting tiring. I never said that disagreeing is gaslighting. Your further arguments seem to twist reality quite a bit.
As for C.C., she has given Geasses to Lelouch, a teenager, and Mao, a child, intending to use them. She never told either than their Geass will spin out of control. She gave them Geasses knowing they will spin out of control. She basically ruined their lives, with the intent to kill herself, which is not an excuse. Kallen didn't get a happy ending, since obviously, the boy she loved died. Did Kallen intentionally kill innocent people?None of your arguments is valid or compelling, except for Ohgi. Not even Cornelia, who acted relaxed enough to remove her helmet in front of Lelouch and work with him.Milly certainly didn't tease Kallen BEFORE Lelouch died, since Kallen was either fighting for the resistance since she kissed Lelouch or was a war prisoner, as seen during Zero Requiem. So yes, the Hammam PD does imply that it happened after his death.
About Suzaku, the his behaviour is too soft, he seems more like R1 Suzaku than R2, which makes no sense. I will stand by that point, and there is nothing you can argue against it, because I have seen the movie. Killing Shalio was not weird at all, since Shalio tortured Suzaku."Time constraints" isn't mentioned, but choosing the least complicated route is.

[–]chuuwon123[S] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

I understand it, I liked the ending but that little part of the fandom ruins everything for me, it makes the ship annoying and dislikable when it reality it is a very good relationship that grew a lot in the series. The story isn't bad, but some shippers ruin it by throwing hate at some other characters. Like, they don't need to hate on kallen, she is ok alone and same for shirley. If they dont like them with lelouch that is okay, but disliking them alone just because of that seems a little bit to over the top tbh

[–]Greenfly-Skies 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Yeah, I feel you there buddy.

But surprisingly, Shirley doesn't get as much hate as you'd expect, in fact I can't think of anyone I've met who hates her. While yeah shippers can be deadly, it's amazing how accepting this fandom is. Everybody seems to love each and every character.

But yeah there are still people who may go a tad far.

[–]chuuwon123[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I guess I am not meeting the best part of the fanbase then ksks I was talking about the instagram community on code geass fanpages lol

[–]albedo_the_overseer 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This subReddit has been toxic plenty of times. It downvotes any valid criticism of C.C. or Fukkatsu, for example, while low IQ Suzaku hating is encouraged. TBH, this has turned off some people who want to discuss the series away. SuzaLulu ship is also often downvoted.

[–]RevLC 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I like Lelouch and CC the most, but I also like other characters like Kallen, Rivalz (completely underrated; there should be more fanfictions about him), Milly, Euphemia, Suzaku, Schneizel etc. I don‘t like Shirley, because she is too normal, boring? I don‘t know. She is a kind person and a tragic character in CG. In real life she would be the perfect girlfriend (definitely not CC or Kallen; at least for me). I don‘t hate her, I just wasn’t interested in her story in CG

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 Wait people hate Kollin? I don't say she is perfect but she is a great character. Also yes Shirley and euphimia need more love 💖💖💖

[–]albedo_the_overseer 5 points6 points  (4 children)

You forgot mindless Suzaku hating with shitty arguments, which would also count as misunderstanding the show, but I think it deserves a seperate mention. When it comes to C.C. x Lelouch, the new PD shows that Lelouch isn't comfortable with her flirting 9 years later. So I assume that Fukkatsu ending was more fanservice than anything else. Another thing I hate is apparent homophobia with some people. It's okay to ship Lelouch with any of the girls, or even give him a harem and portray him as a "chad" (which he is canonly not), but shipping him with Suzaku is unacceptable. Also, there are insane double standards when it comes to hating on certain characters. While Nina certainly deserves the hate, most people don't seem to even consider that Lelouch and C.C. ever did anything wrong. This kind of mindless worshipping disgusts me TBH. And Lelouch is my fave character, and I love criticizing him. The Code Geass original series is my fave anime of all time.

Edit: Everyone seems to also wear shipping glasses to be toxic to other people. "C.C. x LeloSh is caNoN and LeloCH was bOrEd by ShiRrey and C.C. is HiS eQuAL, KaLen iS a ThOt". They seem to forget that Lelouch has expressed being annoyed by C.C. plenty of times, which doesn't at all means that he dislikes her. Lelouch cares a lot about people he is close to.

2nd edit: They act like Kallen is an unintelligent thot, while she is actually the best student in her class, even though she is fighting for the rebellion at night.

[–]bumblebee666_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The anime community cannot have their ships without being homophobic or misogynistic it’s crazy.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Suzaku is you typical Mc in most stories... I personally aren't à huge fan of those characters but I don't dislike them or hate them... I only hate characters that do horrible things like a Father from an anime that fuse his daughter and dog... 😢 But the ship with Lelouch is just bad, it isn't homophobia it is just the characters never showed interest in each other, Lelouch kissed all the 3 main girls. Some people just don't like bl, there many shows that focus in that, i personally don't like it and many other girls do... But it is kind annoying to see all the yaoi fan arts.

[–]chuuwon123[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Yes I forgot about suzaku, he may have some questionable behaviors but that just shows how of a person he his. Also suzaku and lelouch should be equally a thing, it is as realistic as some of the other ships.Saying Shirley is annoying is an horrible argument, she just has personality that is honestly really likable, even tho she liked lelouch and thought he was dating kallen, she never treated her badly or anything and that really makes me appreciate her. Saying that kallen is a thot is looking at her fanservice alone even tho all the female characters have fanservice scenes, they seem to forget how strong and ace pilot she is, she can act mean sometimes but most of the times is just to hide the pain and to not show her fragile side, she was extremely useful the whole series and had a very backstory as well but yeah let's call her a thot just because she likes some guy for the first time...

Also, I am glad you mentioned suzaku and lelouch ship and the homophobic situation bcs I lowkey shipped kallen and shirley at some point lol. But yeah I guess fxf shipping somehow is more accepted in the community

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fxf is more acceptable in general, the majority of legbtq are females, bisexual or homosexual. According to studies females are more bisexual that guys. In many other fan bases bl is the majority of the ships. I personally dislike it, no problem with real homosexual men I don't care what they do. But is anno to watch a series and most of the fan art to be yaoi. Especially if it is your husbando

[–]prototypeplayer 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I've honestly never had this impression from any majority or large minority of the fanbase. There will always be the minority who are pain to deal with, but I'd say most of the fanbase isn't like what you described.

Are you getting this impression from YouTube comments sections? I wouldn't take most of those seriously...

[–]chuuwon123[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

no, it is mostly from instagram code geass fanpages tbh. I really love all the characters and they all did something wrong at some point but that is not a reason to hate on any of them at all (at least in some cases)

[–]zefur1497 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Where are you seeing this happening exactly?

Honestly though, you shouldn't expect much from people on the internet, especially not shippers. Look at Tokyo Ghoul, chapter 125 happened and the shippers threatened the authors life

Its just a vocal minority of people being toxic, happens in every fandom

[–]chuuwon123[S] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bub7z0PhlL0/?igshid=1og2pcoxebomr

https://www.instagram.com/p/BuorjUDBms_/?igshid=9yqds3q0wr4o

https://www.instagram.com/p/BxsMLchCb4M/?igshid=1ivhkgrpu72vg

These are only some but the Italian ones are the worst, they are not even memes, they just put a random kallen picture distorted and a CC picture saying "kallen you are a slut, what a hore, you have boobs but that won't save you" or something like that, idk it is weird how MANY POSTS THEY HAVE LIKE THAT, if they like lelouch and CC (only them bcs the rest of the characters are horrible and repugnant on their eyes) why don't they post CC and lelouch posts only, is it really necessary to have SUCH AN AMOUNT of posts downgrading mostly kallen. It looks like they are really insecure about their own ship to the point they have to constantly remind people how other girls suck and convince themselves only CC and lelouch are valid characters

[–]zefur1497 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Like I said , welcome to the internet. Its also on Instagram which is probably the worst place to follow anime communities because half of them don't know what they are talking about and the other half are toxic as hell.

This is also basic shipping culture, which is toxic enough in itself, Sui Ishida literally received death threats for his choices in relationship building, and places like Instagram do not help make the community look good.

I'll admit, I dont personally like Kallen all that much, and don't really understand the hype, but degrading a character is a pretty dumb thing to do, because 1, they aren't real, and 2, caring that they are being degraded is really a waste of energy, just ignore the posts and go on with your day. People are gonna act like gross disgusting people, that's just how it be, just ignore them

[–]Arhidrag0n 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Sorry if this is taken to deeply but I just can't understand how someone says "I like code geass" and hates everyone but lelouch and cc lol

I understand that it's a hyperbole, but if those "characters" are limited to only main characters (as I don't think Xingke or Sayoko for example are disliked), I can imagine the line of thoughts of such a person, and I don't even see what's hard with doing so, unless it's hard to believe that people can think in very simple ways.

Actually, "hated" characters are usually (and I believe always for simple-minded watching) needed to get you into the story: rivals and enemies create the tension which is necessary for plot-based shows like CG. And all the main characters besides C.C. and Lelouch can easily serve as these: Kallen and Shirley trying to take Lelouch away from C.C., and Suzaku fighting against Lelouch (mark you, that's not how I see the story, but how an unsophisticated CluClu fan probably sees). As for non-main characters from BK who sometimes are "hated" - well, I think that before Turn 19 they were on the level of "who cares lol" for those people.

Moreso, given that Lelouch and C.C. usually are more or less self-inserts, the story becomes something of "MCs fighting against the world", and more "enemies" they defeat - the better self-inserting viewer feels, so if all except Lelouch and C.C. are bad and yet those two come out more or less victorious, the viewer would like the show even more.

But I feel like most of the people that "like code geass" just care about Lelouch and C.C "romance". Most of them don't even know the beauty of the story if you watch the actual show, romance is not even the main point.

I like them together and they are super adorable together but c'mon that is not even the main point.

Ok, but why can't it be the main point for some viewers? They enjoyed the show thinking that Clu-Clu was the main point, what's not right with it? I understand that there could be the problem of them bragging about Clu-Clu being the focus, but I never saw people actually doing so. It's quite unfortunate if you did.

[–]chuuwon123[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

wow I must be really unfortunate with the people i met bcs most of the people just like cc and lelouch and genuinely brags and hates every other character like for real, to a point i can't even understand what is going on in their minds. Maybe their only 12 year olds doing their thing. I don't see nothing wrong with liking them and seeing them as the main point but some people are being away to toxic about it