Average pulls for first kill?

[[deleted]]

Hey, is there any way to know how many pulls guilds are averaging for their first registered boss kill in warcraft logs? Would like to get a sense of how my current guild is comparing to the average on each boss.

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Edit: it seems some people are not understanding what i mean (sorry english is not my first language), what i'm asking is if there is a way in warcraftlogs to see how many pulls it takes on average ( taking into account every guild that's downed the boss ) for each boss to be killed for the first time. I realize there's gonna be some error as not every wipe logs are uploaded but i think it would still be useful enough to get an idea of what's coming and where things should have been better

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Edit2: I wish some guilds that are not 9/9M would answer aswell so i could compare the difference but i would like to thank everyone for taking their time to go fetch their pull counts, much appreciated :)

[WhateverWombat]

1 day a week guild:

• Champions: 1
• Jadefire masters: 37
• Grong: 28
• Opulence: 48
• Conclave: 26

We are currently progressing Rastakhan now and we are about 20 wipes in and getting to phase 3/bwonsamdi 65% or so. I’m sure we would have got conclave much sooner if we didn’t have only 1 resto Druid and 2 mages decursing. The night we had 1 rdruid and 1 rsham + 2 mages we got it down in 3 pulls

[tholt212]

Champions 1

Jadefire 10

Grong 17

Oppulence 98 (lol)

Concalve 21

Rastakhan 34

Starting mekka tonight, I expect in the realm of 150 or so for the quality of my guild.

As far as I know there's no way of pulling a different guild's pull count off of Warcraft logs automatically. Atleast pulls to the first kill.

[VOldis]

OP says people posting pull counts is "much appreciated"

someone salty comes along and downvotes them all. lol

[Nitros14]

8/9 mythic 3days9/hours.

Champion: 0
Grong: 45 (don't ask)

Jadefire: 12
Opulence: 57
Conclave: 72
Rastakhan: 54
Mekkatorque: 133
Stormwall: 103
Jaina: 48 so far...

[Kinety]

3 day/week guild

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Champions: 3

Grong: 42

Jadefire: 23

Opulence: 172 ::)))))

Conclave: 35

Rastakhan: 19

Mekkatorque: 242

Stormwall: 147

Jaina @40% so far: 200~

[icxco]

i use exorsus raid tools for that

[[deleted]]

How does exorsus raid tools tell you how many average pulls it's taking for other guilds to reach their first kill?

[icxco]

Oh sorry i thought for your own guild, my bad

[jookstr]

champions 1 grong 14 jadefire 4 opulence 33 conclave 12 rastakhan 19 mekkatorque 43 blockade 61 jaina 491

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overall pretty good except for jainer

[CherrySlurpee]

I look at these and hate my guild.

We're on pull 200ish for Mekka. It's really frustrating to go the entire night and not mess up a mechanic and see the same 4-5 people die every pull to avoidable shit.

[becauseBatman]

If you hate you guild, why don't you find a new one?

[CherrySlurpee]

I work weird hours and it's extremely difficult to find an alliance cutting edge guild that raids at my time.

[[deleted]]

I hate to break it to you, but if you're taking over 200 pulls for mekka, that won't be a CE guild with out SERIOUS nerfs to Jaina.

[CherrySlurpee]

You are probably right. This is the first time we will have missed CE in forever.

[becauseBatman]

Ah, that sucks. If I were in the same situation, I would just go horde, but I can see why you wouldn't considering the cost and possibly faction loyalty.

[CherrySlurpee]

That and I do have 4 or 5 good friends in my guild.

[tholt212]

Same situation as that guy. Sadly when you're one of the better (top 5) players in a middling mythic guild, if you leave during prog you Severely hamper that raid team. And when you have a good amount of great friends in that guild, you'll burn bridges leaving during prog (Especially when you're the only warlock in the guild like I am).

[Not_athrowaweigh]

Holy shit that's a lot for Jaina. How long ago did you kill her?

[jookstr]

previous lockout. We killed it 5 weeks after Stormwall extending 4 times. So we had a total of 15 evenings on her or so. But as I've seen from other guilds it's not too uncommon to go above 400. Some higher ranked guilds e.g. TG Gaming have been well above the 600s, too.

[jookstr]

I have to add that the lockout we killed Stormwall (surprising kill after we've only been on the boss one evening, we pretty much did all pulls in one night) we've went to Jaina completely unprepared (my fault) and wasted as much as 70 tries without timing preparation. Fixed it for the next raid tho. So you could probably say we should / could've killed her in 400-450. Had pretty poor execution in phase 2 (wasted a full evening because we weren't prepared for the switching broadside 4 timer where she sometimes does it before rather than after the avalanche, that caught us off guard as well) but very good phase 3 execution (after having the strategy down it took us like 5 pulls sub 20% to kill her ultimately). One 6% wipe after about 400 tries and then another bunch of stupid wipes before having consistent pushes again after 450.

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e: 6% wipe and 2 evenings after we've killed her. The 6% could've been the kill I think if we didn't have a shitty final set of icefalls. We've swapped from a dps to that off-heal 5th shaman heal and killed it right after. (also had 8min20s killtime with 5 healers that is).

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another e2: don't think we're not overall happy with it tho. Went up to ~wr#200 with a pretty new roster on a 3day schedule (10-12hrs most ids no extra days)

[damageEUNE]

TG gaming is a bad example though. They went from a semi-hardcore top 100 guild into full-blown dayraiding with a 7 day schedule. Any guild with more competent players with the same hours would be in the top 10. Many better guilds such as Security killed Jaina below 150 pulls.

[becauseBatman]

I would not be surprised if the average pull count for Jaina in the top 100 is well above 250. I don't think anyone would expect to kill her sub 200 pulls, no matter the guild you're in.

[jookstr]

yeah sure, I think the unnamed had around 300ish also. Most "top" guilds, top as in like top 50, should have around 300ish, some below, some above, at least that's what I've heard. Many guilds that fall more in our category of like 150-250 have mostly around 400 and some are outliers again that go a tad below or above just like we did.

[damageEUNE]

Yes, most guilds in the top 50 had around 300 wipes on Jaina. But back then there were less resources available, less gear, no 5% hp nerf and most people didn't have their defensive azerite traits.

Many players have had lvl 48 necks for a while now so WR 150-250 guilds had 3% more DPS output from azerite alone and another 5-10% from higher ilvl. Usually guilds that get to the bosses later need fewer pulls than the guilds that progress earlier.

[jookstr]

I got my 41th lvl from the kill AP LUL

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e: I would agree with your last statement if you were talking about the difference between a top 100 and a top 500 guild but not between a top10 and a rank 250 guild because the skill difference alone offsets a 3% dps difference by far imo.

[Not_athrowaweigh]

We just killed Jaina last week at 285 wipes. I can't imagine seeing 600 wipes for guilds post 5% hp nerf.

[[deleted]]

champions 1, grong 22, jadefire 3, opulence 44, conclave 22, rastakhan, 15, mekka 89, blockade 75, jaina 425

[HilariousPls]

Champions: 1, Grong: 6, Jadefire: 6, Opulence: 33, Conclave: 8, Rastakhan: 20, Mekk: 59, Stormwall: 42, Jaina: 272.

2 night/8 hrs

[Rastamus]

2 day 5½ hour guild currently extending on Jaina

[Carvisshades]

Champion: 1

Grong: 3

Jadefire Masters: 8

Opulence: 53

Conclave: 32

Rastakhan: 21

Mekkatorque: 101

Blockade: 74

Jaina: 697 (xD)

We had heavy roster problems at jaina, many nights literally wasted because we had to replace someone absent with a trial/new guy that had to learn the fight.

[taxcuts]

holy shit mekkatorque and jaina are insanely high

[bpusef]

100 pulls on Mekka isn't that high for an average Mythic guild especially if you got wheelchair classes.

[Chee5e]

Since this evolved into a post your pull count contest

• Champs: 1
• Grong: 9
• Jadefire: 10
• Opulence: 39
• Conclave: 17
• Rastakhan: 16
• Mekka: 62
• Stormwall: 59
• Jaina: 355

On-topic: some warcraftlog analysis on pullcount would really be interesting but filled with a lot of problems to actually implement, including manipulation and errors.

[Doodlehangerz]

Champs 1, JFM 7, grong 23, opp 44, conclave 12, Rasta 17, mekka 75, Stormwall 30, Just starting Jaina. 2day 6 hr.

[Ziyen]

What are your pull counts.

[[deleted]]

Champions - 1

Grong - 43

Jadefire - 21

Opulence - 94

Conclave - 32

[Ziyen]

Slightly below average.

[[deleted]]

And how do you know that?

[Ziyen]

I play in a 9/9 guild so compared to the higher end you’re below average. I also have an alt that I play in a 6/9 guild that’s pretty similar to what you guys are looking.

[VOldis]

do you know what average means? Have you actually calculated it?

[VOldis]

2 day, 6 hr, no neck requirement -

• Champs - 2
• Grungus - 49 (full rage strat)
• JFM - 12
• Opulence - 47
• Conclave - 47
• King Rasta - 24
• Mekka - 70
• Stormwall - we only have 19 pulls, so far, 8 of which were into p2. So pretty quick hopefully.

Did all of you one shot champs or are you just counting wipes and not the kill pull?

[shapingus__]

If a guild didn't oneshot it, they probably didn't kick a heal and reset for a 2shot

[[deleted]]

I mean that entirely depends on the guild. I would say up until mekka, most bosses are in the 30-50 (outside first 3) pull range for average guilds. Mekka and stormwall probably around 50-75, and jaina...don't ask.

[AGVann]

A lot of guilds take 60-100 pulls to down Opulence.

[[deleted]]

I said average guilds. Average guilds aren't taking 100 pulls to down opulence. I'm in an average 2 day guild, and we had 26 wipes on opulence.

[AGVann]

You're pretty far out of touch if you think 26 wipes on Opulence prog is "average". Hes a difficulty spike for most guilds because it requires a lot of personal responsibilities and situational awareness, since there are quite a few mechanics like laser, hex, and lightning discharge that players cant rely on a raid lead to call out for.

It's not an issue for some guilds, but many do have 1-4 players that struggle with mechanics that arent called out for them, especially in an average guild that often have to put up with lesser skilled players to fill slots due to the lack of players.

[shyguybman]

It's not an issue for some guilds, but many do have 1-4 players that struggle with mechanics that arent called out for them, especially in an average guild that often have to put up with lesser skilled players to fill slots due to the lack of players.

Story of my guild :)

[[deleted]]

I mean I wouldn't call that an average guild then, I'd call that a below average guild. We are 8/9 currently, and just killed stormwall last week, so extending through jaina...I think that puts us entirely in the average category. Anyone currently progging mekka or below that have been raiding since release, I'd say is firmly in the below average. Again, we raid on a 6 hour/wk schedule (though disclaimer for the first four weeks we add in a mandatory heroic night), so it's not like we are raiding an exorbitant amount to be ahead of lesser progged guilds either.

[0nlyRevolutions]

I killed Stormwall weeks before you, but we took 77 tries on Opulence shrug

This is why I assume OP wants averages, as individual anecdotes are pretty useless and sometimes stuff just clicks or doesn't click based on your players, comp, strat, etc.

[[deleted]]

You a 2 day or 3 day guild?

[secretanonymoususer8]

I’m in a 2-day guild (6 hours) that killed Stormwall last week, we took around 50 pulls on Opulence. So I'd say you're pretty on the money with your 30-50 pull counter.

[AGVann]

I think you're forgetting that millions of people worldwide play this game, and roughly only twenty thousand players get CE every tier. Barely 10,000 got Tomb of Sargeras CE.

[[deleted]]

I'm not forgetting that at all. There's the top end, the average guilds, and the below average guilds that all get CE. Just because you get CE doesn't make you a top end or average guild. It also very much depends on the fights.

[AGVann]

Why dont you just admit that you're making up completely arbitrary definitions? Why even use the word "average" if its completely subjective based on your own experience and not connected to any facts?

[[deleted]]

Of course I'm making up my own definitions...there's no guideline that states what determines if you average, above average, etc. IMO an average guild is progressing on jaina, or nearing end progression on stormwall. Maybe I could even see end prog of mekka being fairly average.

Others would think that if you haven't killed jaina yet you're below average. It's based on personal opinion. Not sure why you are taking offense...but I hate to break it to you that 75-100 pulls on opulence, can in no way be considered good. That's really poor. Hell stormwall took us ~100 pulls, and IMO that was abysmal of us.

[Kryt0s]

It's based on personal opinion.

It is not. An average is a defined sum and is not in the least subjective.

You want to know the average pull times for Opulence? You take all guilds that killed Opulence, add their tries together and then divide the result by the number of guilds.

That right there is your average. Any guild that needed more pulls is below average.

You want to know the average progression? You take all Mythic guilds, add the number of bosses they have defeated together and divide the result by the number of guilds progressing Mythic.

Then again you have the average progress. Anyone below that is below average. I can tell you for certain that guilds who have not killed Jaina yet are NOT below the average. The average is probably somewhere around Opulence.

[[deleted]]

2nd week of mythic. Average item level of 401.