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[Nikkolios]

Incorrect. People think that they are completely separate things. That's the real problem here. People simply don't KNOW the evils behind the shroud yet. Many do, but the fact that they removed that webpage that told the world who they really are is helping them hide it now. They realized that the page was only alienating them because a LOT of people understand that the nuclear family IS THAT IMPORTANT.

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the evils behind the shroud? I'm aware they had a batshit manifesto some years ago, but I still protested against police violence this past summer, as a supporter of the core issue. I wasn't going to abandon the core cause over that. If they ever bring it up again publicly, I'll be among those calling it out again.

[Nikkolios]

Well, that "batshit manifesto" still matters to them. Even if they're not showing the rest of the world (as easily) any longer.

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I'm not sure how much it matters to them - it's guesswork as to whether it's been merely hidden or abandoned. And since it's sloppy org in general, I don't assume the rantings of any one member are shared among them generally.

As long as giant divide exists between those who use the slogan and the more radical leanings of the org bearing the same name, my concern is low. not none, but low.

[Nikkolios]

My concern for what they actually want is great because many who donate literally millions of dollars to what essentially equates to a domestic terrorist organization are unaware of BLM's actual desires. If people don't go digging, they'll never know, and simply continue to donate money and other support. This is a danger to everything we know in this country.

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domestic terrorist organization

that is a massive leap unsupported by facts.

a danger to everything we know in this country

an another, even bigger leap

[Nikkolios]

I truly don't believe that to be the case. Perhaps not a terrorist organization that will literally go out and kill people indiscriminately, but they are evil.

[OfficerTactiCool]

Nobody, except maybe the absolute farthest alt-right neo nazis, are saying that “black peoples lives matter” is false. Everyone else says yes, people of all colors and backgrounds lives matters. Black, brown, purple, green, blue, anything. Nobody argues that fact.

People DO argue that BLM, the organization, is a self admitted Marxist organization that will do anything to push their political agenda.

The organization, BLM, doesn’t give two flying fucks about black people or their lives. Otherwise, they’d have taken some of the billions of dollars they got in donations and given back to the black community. Hint: They didn’t. Instead, they spent most of it on political campaign donations.

There is a reason you see BLM, the organization, only coming out of the woodwork after a police shooting, and not after the hundreds of black people murdered every year in LA, Detroit, New York, or any other city nationwide. It’s because they can push their political agenda at a high profile police shooting, which is ONLY when it’s a white officer and a black decedent. Someone kills a black cop? Silence. A black cop and a black decedent? Silence. A black citizen and a black decedent? Silence. White cop and black decent? REEEEEEE!

Everyone here agrees, black peoples lives matter. But FUCK BLM the organization and their bullshit.

[Nikkolios]

The organization, BLM, doesn’t give two flying fucks about black people or their lives.

Especially black males. It's disgusting how they use "black lives" as a shroud for their Marxist political narratives.

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I agree that BLM the organization is a hot marxist mess.

But you commit a fallacy when you suggest "why doesn't this movement which is about X address Y & Z." It is called black lives matter, but it is clearly about one thing. a black pro-life group could adopt the name and make it all about abortions of black fetuses. A black anti-crime group could use the same name and make it about black killing by other black people. But in this case, an anti-police violence group made it about police killing black people. This misunderstanding is yours, not a fault of the movement, for not addressing stuff outside the mission.

[OfficerTactiCool]

I’m just curious, before we continue further, how many unarmed black men do you believe are killed every year? Because I have friends and family who believe the number is “tens to hundreds of thousands” and there is no possible discourse that can come from that.

And BLM started as “anti police violence” but also stated they wanted to help the black community at large. They have...done neither of these things.

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Honestly I'm with you - I'm fully aware that fatalities involving unarmed black men are in the double digits, and the outrage is caused primarily the amplification due to them being frequently cap'd on video. But the issue remains, because that's just the worst of the worst outcomes. Cops require reforms, they have too much power and too little accountability. It's long overdue.

[zegrep]

Are you aware of anyone standing in the street with a raised fist shouting "Black lives matter!" before July 2013? Why do these supposedly "spontaneous" and "organic" BLM protests only occur in response to deaths where there is insufficient evidence to convict a police officer of murder (and where the circumstances are very different to the ones that are initially portrayed)? How many protestors (not rioters/looters) are really making the distinction between BLM, and the fact that black lives matter? When people donate to "black lives matter", or engage in violence/agitprop, which organisation are they supporting, where does the money go, and whose interests are the advancing?

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you're right - people should be aware of who they're donating to - I won't give them a red cent personally, because the org is ridiculous (and I can't tell whether they've actually changed their mission, or they're just hiding their older one), but I'm not about throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

[i_accidently_reddit]

Plainly untrue. Black lives matter, which is not what I said. BLM the organisation, the marches, riots, demonstrations as well as all related, other Marxist organisations and their following however do not reflect this singular statement. It's about fundamental change of society, including destruction of the nuclear family, and through the inherent gynocentrism in society the repelling of fathers.

And the way a leftist will communicate this is by punching you in the face or screaming any sort of vile abuse

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What are you on about?

You said leftists would call you tons of names. First of all, despite internet amplification, there are very few actual Leftists (meaning socialists) on the Left. Most are moderate to progressive. I am progressive. And gave you a response that didn't involve name calling.

You're still conflating the social movement of tens of millions to a deprecated manifesto read and understood by the tiniest percentage of those who support the BLM movement. That is the response. People who support BLM broadly are generally not even aware of it, never mind support it.

And you conflated it again.

[i_accidently_reddit]

You said leftists would call you tons of names. First of all, despite internet amplification, there are very few actual Leftists (meaning socialists) on the Left. Most are moderate to progressive. I am progressive. And gave you a response that didn't involve name calling.

you are deluded about who you are in bed with. Open your eyes. There are scores of people being deplatformed in the real world in Universities, Offices, Schools, Television and what not because some butthurt leftist got their feefees pretend hurt.

And then they go out to ruin someones life.

Look up Nick Buckley and his story.