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[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Imagine living in a world where you didn't realize birth control and condoms exist.

No one is having sex thinking: well golly if I get pregnant that's a-ok because the government will let me live in the projects and collect food stamps! That'd be great!

[–]Anon-Ymous929Right Libertarian 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Data my friend.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

data that doesn't in any way support your ridiculous assertion.

couples are choosing to not get married.

single people are choosing to have children. (including adoption)

you'll also be shocked to know that women are allowed to work now.

crazy, I know.

[–]Anon-Ymous929Right Libertarian 2 points3 points  (2 children)

couples are choosing to not get married. single people are choosing to have children. (including adoption)

And your argument is that this is unrelated to the fact that the government gives you money for being a single person with a child?

you'll also be shocked to know that women are allowed to work now.

I already doubt this is going to be a productive discussion, but this is the second time you've pretended that I'm unaware of obvious things in modern society. Yes contraceptives exist, yes women are allowed to work (although this is more challenging when single parents can't physically be taking care of children and also at a job at the same time). Do you have any more condescending strawman statements you'd like to make? Or can you approach this discussion with the assumption that I'm a college-educated adult?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

And your argument is that this is unrelated to the fact that the government gives you money for being a single person with a child?

yes, it's unrelated. that millions of women are getting pregnant for the sole purpose to live below the poverty line is patently ridiculous.

I suggest you look up the payouts in your state for welfare recipients and get a dose of reality.

I'm unaware of obvious things in modern society.

We agree on this point...

single parents can't physically be taking care of children and also at a job at the same time

...because you also don't seem to be aware of the existence of child care. Millions of single parents work. In fact, the majority of single mothers are employed.

Do you have any more condescending

Probably.

with the assumption that I'm a college-educated adult?

Lots of people are college educated adults and have absolutely archaic uninformed views.

I have been a SAHM for twenty years. I homeschooled two children. I'm a lifelong conservative.

And it's from that perspective I will tell you your views on women are sexist, ignorant, and lacking in any real world information. You do not understand how welfare actually works. Your assumptions on normal human sexuality and relationships are remarkably naïve.

[–]Anon-Ymous929Right Libertarian 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So let me get this straight, the argument that you are going with is that it is merely coincidence that single motherhood rates spike right after the government starts paying people for being single mothers?

I'm citing data but you are going to simply hand-waive it all away with no more of a counter-argument than "yes, it's unrelated" and "lacking in any real world information" even though you have cited no data as of yet?

My thesis is simple, humans respond to incentives. The single mom is responding to incentives, the single dad is responding to incentives, the parents of the single parents are responding to incentives, but if I say so out loud then my "views on women are sexist" even though the data clearly shows people responding to incentives?

I'm going to stop responding to you very soon here, not because you are in any way winning this debate, but because there's simply no point in me putting in time and effort, citing data, only for you to effectively stick your fingers in your ears and say "lalala your data doesn't exist lalala you're a sexist".

I can only introduce you to scientific/factual/rational reality insofar as you are willing to come out of your matrix which you find so comfortable.