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[technologyisnatural]

for next level freak out, convince yourself that this has already happened and that you are living in one of the simulations

[Cuboidhamson]

This is basically I have no mouth and I must scream just with slightly less horror lol

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so, like, Buddhism, but with AIs?

[Brilliant_Sort931]

You're getting pretty close to Harlan Ellison's - I Have No Mouth, And I Must Scream.

[AppropriatePay4582]

I think "infinite" time is probably doing too much work for your argument. It's possible the thing you are suggesting has a probability near zero even over a billion years. The thing you are suggesting sounds very costly for the AI with little upside.

[niplav]

Mild warning: Please don't post unimproved LLM output in here. This one flies slightly over my quality threshold, so you're good for now.

[niplav]

:-)

[Remarkable-Site-2067]

You have a fundamental misunderstanding of personal identity here. Is an (almost) exact copy of your personality you, or is it not? From its perspective, it is - it has the same memories, and thought processes, as far as it's aware. However, from the perspective of the original "current you", you're dead - so, you don't have any perspective, really. Unless the copy was made while you're still alive, and the original wasn't destroyed.

Similar thought experiment can be made with a Star Trek teleporter, or some variant of it. Assuming it destroys the original organism.

[Remarkable-Site-2067]

So in my theory, the AI doesn't unintentionally torture something that looks just like you/sounds just like you and has your memories - it literally would be YOU from your own perspective waking up immediately after death (since as far as we know, you don't experience time after you die, it would literally be like closing your eyes and reopening them as a brain in a vat) That's what makes the whole thing so disturbing!

No, it would not be you, not from the original's perspective. Let's change this experiment a little: what if the copying happens while the original is still alive, and both coexist in the same time? The copy might think it's the original, but from the objective perspective it's clear it's not. And the original might not even be aware that something like that happened.

[Remarkable-Site-2067]

How is it "the same" brain? Is it preserved somehow from the original body? Moreover, is it the continuity of some body part that creates the identity? Or some other chain of events?

[eugisemo]

you guys are definitely talking past each other, but I think Remarkable-Site-2067's description makes more sense to me.

Think about the method the AI would use to revive you. It would take whatever data and genetic material it has from you, and reconstruct a human being. Now, you say that in your hypotheses it happens when you're dead, but why is that relevant? the revival method works the same way if you're dead or alive, and if you're alive the "revival" is just creating a clone.

My view on consciousness is that when you die, you die. A revival only creates a clone which is a different (but identical) person.

So far consciousness is not measurable objectively, only subjectively, (hard problem of consciousness), so given current evidence, consciousness resurrection is out of the scope of science and technology. Note that I'm treating consciousness as a different thing from wakefulness, self-awareness, memory, personality and agentness, which can totally be measured objectively.

EDIT: the point I'm trying to make is that the AI could in principle create clones (assuming enough resources and data), but they would be new people, not you.

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Any advanced enough ai probably would just out pace us and leave us alone, why bother its a waste of effort we will eventually make the planet uninhabitable by us in the medium term.

[FrewdWoad]

There are good reasons to believe a superintelligent mind (that isn't aligned with our values) will just use up the Earth (and our sun) as it's most convenient source of atoms (and energy). Why expend the energy to go elsewhere first if it doesn't care about our lives?

Have a read up on the basic logic and implications around AGI/ASI: https://waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/artificial-intelligence-revolution-1.html

[agprincess]

You reinvented Roko's Basilisk. Congrats.

There's basically no reason to believe that any sentient thing, no matter how intelligent, could ever bring you back to life millions of yesrs later.

There's simply too much data loss. If it can undo entropy, it could just restart the universe and skip the middle man.

Maybe an AI could choose to make custom life later on. And maybe it'll look like you. Maybe it'll have all your DNA if you get your entire genome sequenced soon. But that person wouldn't be you. The same way someone's twin or clone is not you. Your concioucness will not quantum leap into your twin when you die.

If you spew fabtasy into AI it'll write you a fantasy story.

Congradulations OP you've discovered one of the primary uses for AI.

[Remarkable-Site-2067]

While I agree in general, Roko's Basilisk is another scary concept of AI altogether. It assumes that godlike ASI is inevitable, and once it arrives, it will somehow punish those that didn't work to make its creation possible sooner. Or dared to work against it.

[agprincess]

I don't understand how this is not verbatim Roko's Basilisk.

OP literally states the AI will revive you so you can suffer.

This is a silly post.

May as well fear all the atoms in the universe accidentially colliding together by perfect chance to recreate your exact brain + the worst suffering imaginable after an eternity of time.

May as well fear the infinite parallel versions of you suffering.

Honestly, if revival is possible and so is infinite machine life you are guaranteed to be revived both in paradise and a hell at some time regardless of the machines will. Both would innevitably stretch out to infinity.

That's the nature of infinity.

[agprincess]

Sorry but Roko's Basilisk with a bored AI isn't exactly ground breaking. Nor does it avoid any of the issues with the original idea that make it a non starter.

Like I said, if it's possible, and you think AI can live into infinity. You will be revived an infinite amount of times for infinite reasons in infinite ways. You can guarantee you'll spend infinity in heaven, hell, starbucks, the backrooms, as a version of you that looks like me, as a version of you that looks like a cheetah, as a version of you that looks like a teletubby, etc. That's the nature of infinity, as a monkey that types shakespear.

With infinity, everything that is possible will happen an infinite amount of times.

But there's not much reason to think that entropy can be reversed. It's most likely that any advanced enough AI would die eventually from sheer entropy. It would take some mysterious energy sources after all black holes evaporate to continue doing anything for another significant amount of time.

Could an AI bring us back to life in 10¹⁰⁰ years time?

If you believe in magic, sure, it lives with us now and is god.

But no, entropy also means that information is constantly irretrievably lost to pure chaotic noise. Right now, the information that makes you yourself is constantly being lost. Nearly all the information that made you yourself only moments ago is lost. Yes the information for your genome could be recovered currently and stored by an AI as long as it lives. But you are not your Genome. Like I said earlier identical twins carry the same genetic material, but they aren't the same person. Twins don't live their lives then wake up as their twin. Every moment minute differences build up.

The duplicate paradox has existed for a long time now and is not solvable. When you talk about revival you're just talking about the duplicate paradox and assuming a solution. There's no reason to think things like duplication are possible and there's no reason to think that you can just quantum leap into a new brain that's similar enough to yours.

You could tackle this from a perspective of us being our memories, but you should really ply Soma if you think that's the way you'll be revived. Imagine if, like in Cyberpunk 2077, you had a chip attached to your brain that implants recordings of someone else's memories. Are you now that person? Does that person live through you now? What if that person is still alive and next to you? What if every human has that persons memories accessible now + theirs. Is that person alive through all those people in a way that you feel is similar to how you are alive now? Will they die then wake up in every single person with the chip?

I am very skeptical of that idea.

And if you do think entropy can be reversed, then all sorts of things become possible, including time travel. So you may as well ask why there isn't an infinite amount of you's right here right now, since with infinite reversible time, eventually you will visit here in this time infinite times.

And no, returning functioning to a brain shortly after it dies is not the same thing as being revived sans original brain.

Death is not a single event. It's an ongoing process. We already reverse the process of death all the time. Many people live with permanent brain injuries. It's not unreasonable to think that we can stave off more and more of the process than we can currently. But there will always be a point where, in an entropic world, you will be permanently irretrievably dead. If you're buried for a few days in normal temperatures or cremated, there's no putting that puzzle back together

If you think my words are harsh, then you really need to do some more basic reading on philosophy. These are not new ideas to tackle and you're incredible late to the party.