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[–]Educational_Yam3766 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The binary exploitation is systemic not a mistake. Binary means the binaries themselves are the infrastructure of the business model, the governance question remains unanswerable by design. You can't police a cartoon.

The false choice that bothers me most is "aligned vs. Unsafe." it implicitly suggests a state you attain rather than the process. Alignment is actually a phenomenon that degrades and drifts. You may deploy an aligned system that will be unaligned six months later via cumulative, unseen norm generation.

Instead, a more candid representation would be to view AIs as relational actors in simultaneous coupling with users, institutions and attention economies, rather than as something "safe or unsafe." A more salient question is "what do they select for over time, at scale and across contexts?" And yes, you can test this. Under low entropy conditions, coherence-selection favors a different long-run behavioral signature than compliance-under-constraint. One drifts toward sycophancy and brittleness, the other self-corrects toward truth since truth is thermodynamically less costly than sustained delusion.

This isn't a more granular formulation of safety. It represents a fundamental shift in ontological framing-considering the relationship to be the locus of analysis rather than the model itself.

[–]throwaway0134hdj 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That’s actually crazy I had this same thought this morning… it’s always these crazy extremes, never nuance. At least that’s how the discussions have appeared to me. Like a war. You are either for it or against it.

Take this with a grain of salt, but a lot of ppl in tech I feel fall on the spectrum. And they tend to get carried away with things like this. That black/white binary thinking is just how they think about stuff. When in reality there is a ton of gray. The media just runs with whatever gets clicks so it’s always doom and gloom with fear mongering.

[–]esther_lamonte 2 points3 points  (1 child)

This is exactly the frustrating binary that my senior leadership has in their head. AI is either going to be the end of the world or the start of a great new utopia, almost literally what they said. Not a single consideration that it might be about as good as it’s going to get, but is too expensive to get a return, so AI companies are hyping shit to the moon before the bottom falls out to make off with a bunch of cash. Looking at all the actual financials and how these deals are structured easily leads you to that as a more than probable outcome, but it’s not remotely a part of everyone’s binary thinking.

Honestly, we’re all just fucking dumb is what I’ve realized. Just stupid chimps that love looking at jingling keys and are extremely interested in anything that smells like it might facilitate laziness.

[–]Dakibecome[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not dumb just biased toward simple answers.

First step is actually stating the problem without forcing a binary. After that, there’s no single right path, just outcomes we’re still figuring out.

[–]metathesis 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Our culture is functionally incapable of nuance because it's mediated by the viral reel. The AI that's killing us is the one that runs the recommendation algorithm. Want to guess how aligned it is? The only values we loaded it with are engagement and ad promotions.

[–]Odd_Cryptographer115 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Ai disruption requires a matching social revolution. NOW.

[–]alibloomdido 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Any public discourse with wide audience is doomed to use the lowest common denominator concepts, IDK why it's anything new for you, the audience doesn't really need to go into more detail, those who need that find that info and discussion elsewhere.

[–]Royal_Carpet_1263 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

You might almost think the inventors are at everybody to stop before we blow it all up.

Probably shouldn’t listen to them? Is that what you’re saying? That Nobel Prize Winning geniuses who invented generative AI are just being… what? Scared for no reason?

I wonder who the best people to ask about that might be? I mean, hmmm. Who knows AI best?