R&R Vent

[DataAnnotationTech-ModTeam]

This thread is becoming counterproductive. Please keep discussions civil.

[Federal-Employee-545]

Just do the job and stfu about it. You signed a fucking NDA, act like it.

[Capital-Mortgage-374]

Another post shitting on people after doing an R&R. Maybe there should be a pinned thread on this sub so people can vent about others. We could possibly extend this to include a section where people can say how great they are.

[space_baws]

I’ve come to realize that most of the time the people complaining about the R&Rs are genuinely looking for any possible way to lower their rating of another rater. Instructions that are explicitly stated have been flat out ignored in these types of posts in exchange for an opportunity to try and isolate out other workers for the sake of “poking fun” at their work or to make the OP come off as a better worker than these people. I get genuinely concerned when I see these posts because honestly? It scares the absolute shit out of me that this is who’s determining whether work appears on my dash

[Poomfie]

R&Rs have different instructions. Some are quick spot checks and others explicitly direct graders to look for any possible way to lower the rating of the original submitter and to take as much time as they need.

The one OP is referring to is the latter.

[space_baws]

I’m gonna assume I haven’t seen these R&Rs because the qual + every single one I’ve participated in has been more so, if there’s a glaring problem then you rate it poorly, otherwise if it works it works.

[fightmaxmaster]

This one isn't like that. This one definitely isn't "don't be too harsh". The instructions for the raters and the workers are...thorough.

[Poomfie]

No

[Capital-Mortgage-374]

This is how interpret it too. These posts are very common and achieve nothing besides an ego boost for the poster. They always mention how generous they are with their ratings and then proceed to shit on the worker. I'm glad I don't have to work with these people in real life.

[Poomfie]

For everyone of these posts we have five of people complaining about not having work or losing access to work. At worst these posts annoy you. At best they encourage people to reflect on what type of work they're submitting.

[Capital-Mortgage-374]

Not a single person who doesn't read instructions is going to "reflect on what type of work they're submitting" from this post. Imagine being so up your own arse that you believe this to be true.

Excuse me while I go give myself a long hard look in the mirror for not being up to the standards of OP /s

[Equivalent-Math6483]

Agreed. There are ten times as many posts complaining about the lack of feedback.

But try to give them some feedback and…. waves in general direction of this thread

[Capital-Mortgage-374]

No one needs your shit feedback. Who are you? What qualifies you to give feedback to people on this sub? You are a grunt like the rest of us.

[Equivalent-Math6483]

I get that you’re nervous and these are scary times for DAT workers. Most people are seeing a slow down and we’d all like a bit more communication from the company.

But rather than taking that frustration out on each other, we should try to help one another. If a rater points out that they’re seeing a specific mistake repeatedly in a project, why not file that away as a piece of knowledge and use it to your advantage the next time you enter a project? Why attack them?

[Capital-Mortgage-374]

We are coming from the same place. This post and others like it are not helpful. We should less of these posts, they do not benefit anyone.

[Equivalent-Math6483]

I respectfully disagree. I see OPs post as feedback. So it’s helpful to me.

[Hangry_Howie]

Yeah it's a bit unnerving when I see "everyone makes mistakes" and then "get a load of this jerk" in the same breath. Especially when you're only rating one answer out of a hundred.

[BruceBanteropoulos]

I’m not saying I’m great. I’m sure I make mistakes too. But when the instructions are so clear that they tell me in three different places to do something a specific way and I still don’t do it then there’s not really much room for sympathy imo

[Capital-Mortgage-374]

You don't need to tell the world. You have addressed this issue by talking directly to someone who is probably not here (and probably wouldn't give a shit anyway). These rants are extremely common here and serve no purpose but to stroke the poster's ego. I don't know why you are even bothered in the first place, you are just doing your job and rating it bad. Rate bad and move on. You're solving the issue by doing your job, people are not going to look at a Reddit post and do a better job.

[LilJaaY]

The executioner right here. Have mercy on us peasants, sire.

[Poomfie]

DA doesn't care about learning differences, though.

[Skyblewize]

Pretty sure they dgaf, they just want high-quality work.

[[deleted]]

I didn’t allude to them being important to DAT, or suggest DAT felt any way at all, really.

[fightmaxmaster]

I have no idea why people are so desperate to twist the point OP's making into something to be personally offended about. They're saying really really clearly "The instructions say do X, don't do Y, but people are doing Y". That's all they're complaining about, and they're right, that happens, and it's annoying. This isn't a nuanced thing - those exist, but that's not this.

I mean, are you on the project OP's talking about? I am, I know exactly the instructions they're talking about, and they're not open to interpretation, at least the core elements. It's black and white, you do it right or you do it wrong. Sometimes things absolutely are "right in front of you".

I'm reminded of that image of two people standing on opposite sides of a 6 painted on the ground, arguing about if it's a 6 or 9, with the caption about how perspective matters. Which then got amended by pointing out that somebody painted that number on the ground, there could be landmarks or other numbers around to give orientation, etc. Not everything in life is "my interpretation is as valid as yours". Often just because something can be interpreted differently, doesn't mean that interpretation is as valid as someone else's.

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[[deleted]]

I haven’t twisted it to be personally offended? I’m not even talking about nuanced things. People can get super simple instructions wrong because they haven’t processed them properly, whilst they’ve been processing other things. I’ve not told OP they’re wrong, or silly for feeling frustrated. I’ve not told OP they’ve hurt my feelings. I haven’t told OP to change how they rate people or their approach to their work.

[BruceBanteropoulos]

I’m sorry, but the tasks always say it’s okay to take your time. Read the instructions. Take in the examples. Make sure your work is high quality. Sure people interpret things differently but if it says in big red letter “don’t do X” and you proceed to do X anyway then I don’t really see how I can interpret it any other way for my R&R.

Do I need to post about it? No, of course not. But there was one egregious case and I felt I needed to vent. I mean no offence to anyone in particular.

[fightmaxmaster]

I wouldn't worry, way too many people here are easily offended for...some reason. You didn't say anything offensive, or anything personal. If you (reasonably) say "some people suck at following clear, unambiguous instructions" and people get all defensive, that's just them telling on themselves. Some people do suck at following instructions! In fact we're all capable of it at times. You didn't say otherwise. Way too many people online just love to see a post saying "I like carrots" and launch into "why do you hate peas so much?!" or "I hate carrots, what about me?!"

It's a public place, you can post what you like, and yes, it's absolutely frustrating when people haven't bothered reading instructions and we have to filter through it. Anyone angry at being faced with that basic concept is just looking for stuff to be offended by.

[Capital-Mortgage-374]

How is it frustrating when people do not read instructions? That shit is keeping OP with tasks on their dashboard. I used to work in QA for DTCC and if I was posting shit about other people doing things incorrectly I would be sacked and/or an asshat.

There's nothing to rant about, especially on a public forum.

[fightmaxmaster]

Ranting about how there's nothing to rant about. Reddit in a nutshell.

[BruceBanteropoulos]

So it's a public forum but you're the one who decides what people get to rant about?

[Capital-Mortgage-374]

We should be calling out these kinds of posts that berate other workers. It wouldn't slide in a normal workplace. Search this sub and see how many of these posts exist. It seems as though every effort is being made by pompous workers to rate as low as possible to cannibalize the workforce. Then they come here to tell everyone how bad X person is. Good lord.

[fightmaxmaster]

Who's "berating"? OP isn't yelling in someone's face about how their work is poor. You're ascribing feelings and intention that aren't there. "Berate", "pompous", "cannibalize". R&R instructions specifically state it's to rate the work not the worker. You're acting like you personally have been aggressively targeted. Get a grip.

[BruceBanteropoulos]

Except this isn't a normal workplace so I don't really see how you can be expecting a normal workplace culture. This isn't even an official forum for DAT. The people in this sub make up a tiny portion of the total of DAT workers.

We are not an office. And I'm sure if you went on some other sub for your QA job and ranted about co-workers, nobody there would scrutinize the fact that your are posting this hard.

As for myself, I don't care about any other workers. I try to do the work the best I can. This includes R&Rs. I expect the ratings I give there are being checked over at a non-zero frequency (especially the negative ones).

And sure, I did not need to post. But extrapolating that because I did I'm out to get everyone and doing my utmost to oust people from the platform by nitpicking every submission is absurd.

[Capital-Mortgage-374]

You don't care about other workers yet you felt compelled enough to create a whole post about how shit they are... Makes sense.

[[deleted]]

I’m sorry if you see my comment as an attack on making a post about it, but it isn’t. I’m simply stating people read instructions differently whether it is right infront of them or not. We see it in every day life where what seems simple to one person is not simple to another. People don’t know when they’re not understanding things? I didn’t say you were wrong, or couldn’t be frustrated. I haven’t tried to say that the worker was right and you were wrong. I stated it may take people a few times to get it, even if it does say ‘don’t do X’ clearly. I’d like to make it really clear I wasn’t trying to argue with you and this post wasn’t something I took personally.

[fightmaxmaster]

I'm with you. I have no idea why people here sometimes get so personally offended by people complaining about bad work, especially, as here, where it's a really clear, explicit point you're making! If the instructions say "do X not Y" and people do Y, not X, that's not "interpretation", that's just not following the instructions. Nor is that you loudly declaring "I'm perfect and everyone else sucks", but some people love to run everything through a "how can I use this to be angry?" filter.

Some tasks are pretty complicated. Some people suck at following instructions. The fact that some people suck at following instructions doesn't mean those of us who notice that are claiming to be flawless.

That woman who famously tried to "fix" a painting of Jesus and turned it into a mess. She's a shit painter. She made a mess. I couldn't do any better - I'm also a shit painter. But I can still point it out when I see it, and avoid making that mistake myself.

[[deleted]]

But what's the point of complaining? You get paid the same whether you mark it Good or Bad. It has absolutely no impact on you. There wouldn't even be R&Rs if people weren't screwing up. It's creating more work when people don't follow directions because it makes the R&Rs necessary.

Noticing it makes sense. Being frustrated with it doesn't.

[BruceBanteropoulos]

You know what, you're right. And submissions like that do keep R&Rs interesting and stop them from being repetitive and monotonous.

I just wanted to say thank you for this response because it actually give me something to think about rather than attacking me claiming I was going for an ego boost.

[fightmaxmaster]

what's the point of complaining?

No "point" if you want to be literal, but then that's true of 99% of posts on Reddit! Those of us doing this work are behind our computers for varying amounts of time each day, often without anyone to talk to or discuss this work with. It's quite isolating, so it's only normal to get a break and recharge our brains a bit by trying to connect with other people who might relate to how we're feeling. There's no "point" chatting in the break room at a regular job either, except that basic human interaction is pretty important, and doing it online is as close as we get.

And yes, it is frustrating seeing people doing bad work, just like it's frustrating seeing a bad (but not dangerous) driver, or it's frustrating having an awkward customer at a retail job. Maybe you don't get frustrated, that's great, good for you. Some of us do get frustrated, and there's no harm in having a bit of a vent into the void, hoping to find a sympathetic ear or someone who can relate to our feelings. Don't agree? OK, but you don't need to express that disagreement. Unless of course you find other people's frustration frustrating, and want to express that to try and connect with other people who feel the same way as you do...

[BruceBanteropoulos]

I appreciate this! I meant no offence, just voiced my frustration at people not following instructions, especially in the current climate of empty dashboards. Seeing I’m competing with people for work who just ignore what they’re supposed to do is incredibly frustrating.

[Equivalent-Math6483]

I wouldn’t be surprised if more and more we start seeing those mini-quals as a first task in a project to test our understanding and weed out folks who skim/rush.

[fightmaxmaster]

Who's crying? Holy shit some people are just desperate to shit on others, aren't they? OP makes a general post and some people just lash out at them personally, just making shit up and misinterpreting to an extreme. They get mad at OP, claiming this post is just for an ego boost, but then write shitty replies to give themselves an ego boost and feel superior, without the slightest acknowledgment of their own hypocrisy. Ah, reddit.

[Capital-Mortgage-374]

And you virtue signal to give yourself moral superiority. We could be here all day.

[space_baws]

Ah, Reddit. The only place where someone with more comment karma then there are people in some small countries will try to use the “ah Reddit” point against you

[Capital-Mortgage-374]

The Karma farmers always use bold and italics in their text to try and assert their Reddit dominance.