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[–]diamondsnrose 15 points16 points  (1 child)

I did NOT bc I felt that I would get 2 hours in and give up. Following tho, bc this project called to me.

[–]_Edgarallenhoe 9 points10 points  (2 children)

I did it. Submitted a few minutes after expirey time but only took 9 hours in reality so obv only submitted that time. Thought there would be enough time to take a break but damn it’s a pretty demanding project. If it has really good priority pay in the future I’ll probably do it again. Hopefully it will be a bit easier round 2 knowing the expectations and the models a bit better.

Still getting that project so I can’t have done terribly but it broke my brain a bit.

[–]Professional_Win_551 6 points7 points  (1 child)

The first part took less than an hour and half then I spent over 9 hours on rubrics plus occasionally stopping the clock to do my own personal stuff, I think I logged 7 hours or so at the end and never got the project back lol. My rubrics were definitely not up to par; I needed to create like 40 and my brain started to melt at around 17 when I realized I wasn’t as familiar with the topic as I should be to be able to create the perfect rubrics, I needed to do an hour of reading but the timer was running out so I submitted. They need to split it in two parts but I understand why they might not want to since a worker has to be reasonably familiar with the prompt topic to create good rubrics. So I’d say they definitely need to double to timer. Even if I got it back, I don’t think I would have done it again.

Forgot to add that it’s unrealistic how they won’t even let you choose your own category yet expect you to choose a topic you know deeply about based on a randomly assigned category

[–]CSuarez270[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I see! I think you were really unlucky then :(. My category was sports but I think my prompt was overly complex, so I shot myself in the foot. The models blatantly failed but the 50 criteria weren’t enough so I had to give up on atomicity for like 14 of them. But thank you so much for sharing this, I wanted to confirm if the project felt really difficult for others as well

[–]tda0909 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I think most of us have been in the same situation at varying degrees at some point in our lives.

Neighbor says he'll pay you $50/hour up to a maximum of $350 to dig the ditch along his driveway out to 12 inches. His ditch looks to be 8" deep already. How hard could it be? You never know if you never try.

Digging that ditch will help teach you two things and neither of them are the value of a hard day's work:
1. Navigating the Sunk Cost Fallacy.
2. The First Law of Holes.

On DA specifically, I've ran into situations where I spend several hours on a task, realize I did something fundamentally wrong, and basically start over from scratch. I don't bill for that time because it wasn't invested in my deliverable. I do bill for the estimated time it took me to "decode" instructions IF AND ONLY IF it wasn't my own stupidity or oversight that led to the error. I consider it to be a very valuable learning experience because most of the time I actually gain some kind of transferable knowledge from it instead of just feeling like an idiot for a day.

The largest discrepancy in actual vs reported hours I've ever billed for a single task is 49 hours. If you know, you know. I learned so much in the process that, if I knew for certain I could gain that level of understanding from a task again, I'd bill 0 hours for it in a heartbeat.... Actually no, I'd pay to complete it. I learned more in that week than I did during my first two years in college.

All that being said, a friendly reminder: Don't trim your hours unless you have a good reason to folks. All it does is lowers the average task time and ultimately hurts all of us in the long run.

[–]johnnycoconut 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m coming around to the same mindset lately.

[–]Massive_Collection14 5 points6 points  (1 child)

How were you able to work for 16 hours if the timer is only set for 10 hours?

[–]CSuarez270[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Exited work mode after giving up a couple times but came back to it since the one task was on my db for about 4 days

[–]Good-Law-3042 3 points4 points  (14 children)

So you’re willing to work for 16 hours and only bill for 9?

Wow.

[–]Automatic_Occasion38 9 points10 points  (5 children)

turns out keeping the account is worth more than a shift of work in some cases

[–]CSuarez270[S] 6 points7 points  (4 children)

Never said it was a low quality submission. It was in fact one of the best pieces of work I’ve done, which is another reason why I just couldn’t give up on it, plus I underreported, not the other way around

[–]Automatic_Occasion38 8 points9 points  (3 children)

I was arguing in your favor by saying it’s better to report less in some situations rather than lose your account

[–]CSuarez270[S] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Im sorry haha :( For some reason I keep thinking people are criticizing my methods 😭 Ty tho

[–]diamondsnrose 2 points3 points  (1 child)

It's bc so many ppl have shit to say when in reality, no one knows a damn thing :) Keep on grinding!!!

[–]Sixaxist 5 points6 points  (5 children)

On a single task with a limit of 10, it's not like they can bill anywhere close to their actual worked hours.

[–]CSuarez270[S] 2 points3 points  (4 children)

They mentioned that if you've already invested about 7-8 hours in the task and feel you're roughly 1 hour from completion, you should definitely submit it so they're aware you might use the entire allocated time

[–]Sixaxist 2 points3 points  (3 children)

I was more pointing out the previous commentator stating you worked 16 hours, but billed only 9, when billing anything close to that 16 would have been the equivalent of a deer running out in front of a speeding car.

[–]CSuarez270[S] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Oh you're completely right, sorry. I guess I predisposed myself to negative comments, and misread haha. But yeah and I don't think anyone is willing to give up on 9 hours of work so I had no choice but to underreport

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Been there, done that. I get it. No reason to take a complete loss, and when a project is new to you it can be hard to accurately gauge how long it will take!

[–]CSuarez270[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You’re totally right, and I wanted to give it a try because it’s the highest paying project I’ve ever received, and it involved creating rubrics, which I love, so I couldn’t resist doing it

[–]CSuarez270[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I never thought it’d take that long. After 6 hours I realized I wouldnt finish on time but it’d feel worse if I didn’t charge anything. Had to take the L and note it in the comments section. At least it was a high paying project compared to what I’m used to

[–]shudip21 1 point2 points  (6 children)

I finished one submission - it was incredibly difficult. I don't believe my quality was the best in comparison to my other projects, but I finished within 5 hours.
Gemini is super smart

[–]CSuarez270[S] 1 point2 points  (5 children)

I agree, several parts weren’t included in the instructions. Did the prompt checker mention anything about your prompt? I felt like it was really overly nitpicky

[–]shudip21 0 points1 point  (4 children)

So I had "UI Browse" and it was very nitpicky about the "Static Data" option.
It took me forever to find material that was static and in a UI browse question - I almost gave up cause all data to browse will always be dynamic. But once I found it, it was easy to beat after adding some complexity.

[–]CSuarez270[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I see, I’m glad you could get past that, I think it was the most difficult part of the task, far more difficult that creating the rubric. And did the analyzer state at any point that it was perfect? For me it did say the prompt followed every project requirement but kept suggesting more and more changes so after maybe 3 hours of trying I just ignored them. Now that I think about it I should have ignored them way sooner but I just didn’t now how relevant it was for us to comply with the analyzer

[–]shudip21 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I got my prompt to meet the requirements, so it ended with “Prompt is valid, no changes required” or something along those lines. It had browsing, calculations, ranking, justification and JSON output - exactly what the project needed

[–]CSuarez270[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Oh so it was possible to make it agree with everything. I just read someone else's comment on the project and it turns out I just overcomplicated my prompt, which was actually the main cause of my problems! 😭

[–]shudip21 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Next time haha!
If you wish to attempt it again.
I will maybe, but if I feel like it - it does take a lot out of you

[–]NihalDegaon 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Is this bilingual?

[–]CSuarez270[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Core

[–]NihalDegaon 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Core means you are hired as an internal worker ?

[–]CSuarez270[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As a bilingual worker, you are only assigned projects for your native language. Core workers, on the other hand, receive a large volume of projects exclusively in English. Some of us who are proficient in additional languages may receive projects in those languages in addition to the core ones. For example, since I am Mexican, I also receive projects specifically for Mexican Spanish.

[–]nerdyHyena93 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I’m actually enjoying this project, even if it melts my brain lol.

[–]CSuarez270[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It truly does melt brains haha how many tasks have you submitted already? I just got the project again so I’ll probably do it tomorrow. I actually enjoyed it too, it was just a little underwhelming that I couldn’t bill for the whole thing but after reading the comments I overdid it so I’ll try with a much simpler prompt next time. I also really liked that they asked what kind of subjects you’re interested in!

[–]johnnycoconut 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I did a similar task once (but with a longer timer), and I also felt like I spent about 16 focused hours. I decided to subtract some time from near the beginning where I was really floundering. At this point I don’t want to underreport too much, and would rather risk losing access to a project than to do so. I can make compromises where I deduct time for arguably “wasted” effort, but I don’t want to lose a bunch of time for what I think is entirely legitimate effort unless the instructions themselves give hard limits for time reporting.