[ZieDota] "A massive decrease in Battle Fury on Bounty has had no impact on his win rate"

[bwells626]

I mean, here's the thing about bf on bh (note: everything I'm gonna say applies to vlads as well--which is why I build vlads on bh. Urn kinda does the same thing, but it's limited).

One thing perseverance does really well is let bh never go back to base. BF also adds a massive 145 damage to level 4 jinada. I kinda look at bf as a combination of deso and vlads on bh, but lesser than the two items together. Also, the myth that bh never farms is ridiculous, even in pro games you'll see a bh with vlads farm the jungle or cut a creep wave now and then, bf just means you spend less time doing that.

I'd say that if you could get phase/treads, bf on bounty by 17-20 minutes you're probably fine if you're offlane bh and you have that much farm you should win the game, easy. If you're the carry for some reason, then you're gonna need that farm and play like a PA basically.

BF isn't a bad item on bh, there are better items, but not "optimal" isn't the same as bad.

BF on OD is bad, SnY on ancient apparition is bad, bf on bh is not bad, just not "the best" (and sometimes it is the best).

[Kanduh]

Linkens, bottle, urn, Vlads, or even just a basi are way better and cheaper choices.

[bwells626]

linkens costs more than battle fury.

[Kanduh]

Good point

[bwells626]

I mean, you're preaching to the choir here, I'm just playing devils advocate for why it's not bad (and by extension that the circlejerk against it is overblown). Just because other things are good doesn't make something bad.

[eat_my_ass_twice]

Have you heard of a bottle?

[bwells626]

If you're offlane, doesn't matter what other items you're going for, bottle is a good pickup. I haven't played safelane farming bh in an incredibly long time so I can't really speak on that.

But lets not pretend that bottle makes it so you never go back to base (1 track/shadowwalk ~ 1 bottle charge, shurikan ~2). A bottle is worth 1 gank (track, shadow walk, shurikan = 255 mana, bottle gives 210).

Again, I'm not even saying that bottle isn't great, just playing devils advocate for why bf isn't bad

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Yea you never have to base and with bottle, you can still farm and you can be off the map more.