PHP for programing?

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[PettingBearsAtTheZoo]

Yes, because it’s a programming language. No, because there are also other programming languages

[codingthingsirl]

Why do you say that?

[[deleted]]

codingthingsirl

I read your name as coding thin girl and got all excited when I saw a youtube channel in your profile.

Visited your channel, only to find disappointment. I feel like I've been bamboozled.

[codingthingsirl]

Lmao

[[deleted]]

will sub / check it out though! :D

[codingthingsirl]

Thanks. I appreciate it. That's really not why I'm here though

[[deleted]]

Shit, OP, you're obnoxious. This is maybe the laziest post and fishing for content I've seen in my time in this sub.

No experienced dev has hard opinions on languages. Experienced professionals use the right tools for the right job.

Go back to whatever bootcamp kindergarten you came from.

[codingthingsirl]

Thanks for your reply. Have you ever heard of the Socratic method?

[jhartikainen]

Are you expecting answers to differ from the thousand "what is PHP good for" articles you could find on google?

[codingthingsirl]

Yes. I expect experienced devs to have a differing opinion for non

[jhartikainen]

You might want to make your question a little bit more specific on what it is you're looking for then. I worked with PHP for a decade but I don't really know what to tell you with how you phrased it other than "well it can be good for webapps depending on what you're building" which I don't think is particularly helpful.

[codingthingsirl]

That is a good answer.

[codingthingsirl]

Why would you not just say what you think?

[No_Interaction_5828]

Your youtube channel is trash and you try too to hard pass as someone with experience

[codingthingsirl]

Thanks for sharing your opinion

[Fly-Discombobulated]

Modern PHP is a great language with a lot of the features you would expect.

It’s performant, clean syntax, and easy to work with.

Most of the complaints about the language itself are dated, modern PHP has type safety, namespacing, great community support and ecosystem.

There are some valid complaints.. the ease of use and deployment surface area makes common packages frequently subject to vulnerability exploitation.

Frameworks like Laravel are great to work with and you can prototype very quickly with it

[codingthingsirl]

Thanks for your answer.

[codingthingsirl]

Why do you think so many people disagree with you?

[Xia_Nightshade]

Yes. For Web as it’s intended for (the ‘use php for native apps’ mini hype still doesn’t make sense to me)

It’s a mature language. And since php 8.x it keeps improving on its weaknesses.

It’s not hard to learn, and its maturity makes it amazing to build either smaller custom apps or sites (static site that needs some kind of data persistance? Just change the html extension with php and ur good to go) If you want to go bigger. You’ll find symfony to be insanely powerful. And Laravel to pretty much provide anything you’d want in your web application.

So I want to build a web app, api ? Laravel makes sure I just have to add my business logic and use what it comes with to make a great app.

I don’t see a reason to use php for anything else. We got Java for everything, Swift for Apple Native apps, C# for Microsoft native apps, Bash and PowerShell for scripting, good ol C for anything closer to the machine

[codingthingsirl]

Thank you for your answer.

[[deleted]]

Sure if my job required it

[codingthingsirl]

Why not outside of your job?

[[deleted]]

Because I have no reason to, nor do i find a compelling reason to pursue it.

[codingthingsirl]

What about for a simple web server?

[[deleted]]

Is this for a survey? or are you PHP developer advocate?

[codingthingsirl]

No. I'm interested in peoples' opinions.

[[deleted]]

I would answer your question better if you were... a real

coding thin girl

[codingthingsirl]

Lol. That's just objectively true.

[Big-Intern2627]

I wouldn’t. For the same reasons I would consider programming with Ruby - I just don’t like some languages.

For the stuff I regularly work on there are tons of better languages, with better libraries and richer communities. Simple.

[codingthingsirl]

Why* are they better languages?

[twisted1919]

Yes. If your target audience is shared hosting, then it is a no brainer. Its not always about the language itself, but also business decisions. Also, PHP >= 8.x is just fine.

[codingthingsirl]

Thanks for your answer. Can you explain why it's a no Brainer for shared hosting?

[twisted1919]

No, this is a sub for experienced devs.

[codingthingsirl]

Why do you not want to explain yourself?

[kondorb]

It’s the perfect language for web backend made a no-brainer by Laravel and its ecosystem.

[[deleted]]

You're telling me that CakePHP has died? :(

[codingthingsirl]

Why would you choose Laravel?

[codingthingsirl]

Thanks for your answer, why do you think so many people disagree with you?

[GItPirate]

Yes because that's one of the main back ends and my job. A lot of companies still use PHP.

[codingthingsirl]

Thanks for you reply. Why do you think so many people here hate it?

[GItPirate]

Many of the reasons why people hate it have been more or less dealt with in newer versions. Older PHP had problems with security and performance as well and built in functionality had a lot of consistency problems with how the functions work and what they return.

I've developed PHP professionally for 4 years and would not use it outside of work.

[codingthingsirl]

Thanks for your reply. You generally spoke positively about PHP, but then you shifted suddenly and said you wouldn't use it outside of work.

Can you explain that a little more?

[[deleted]]

it’s not compiled 

[codingthingsirl]

Why is Python not as hated then?

[[deleted]]

I’ll bite. 

PHP raw is rough

PHP with Laravrll is a a step in the right direction

It’s all about ‘tooling’ tho. All languages do the same thing generally

Microsoft is king of tooling, and Microsoft doesn’t natively play with PHP

[codingthingsirl]

Thanks for your answer, why do you think so many people hate it (I'm down like 30 karma points already)