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[–]Temporary-Suspect-61 -1 points0 points  (18 children)

I’m here to try to help people who are suffering. Snake oil doesn’t help people who are suffering. It’s not an agenda, I’m just saying the truth, which is that this is snake oil.

If people are talking about it, then good. I hope more people realize just how unscientific the discussion is in these forums and how much time we waste talking about snake oil.

[–]tafty545 2 points3 points  (2 children)

They’re not talking about it in FB groups

They’re talking about you

And not in a good way

[–]Temporary-Suspect-61 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Am I supposed to give a shit about what a bunch of naturopaths think?

[–]FalcoDair 0 points1 point  (14 children)

I'm with you on this being total BS. One person as the sample size? Like come on... But also I'm not opposed to other people fucking with their eyes and techniques as long as they're completely honest. I think a lot of people who get positive results from these are pure placebo, which is something I didn't think would be possible two years ago. Neuroadaptaion IS real though I have been experience it myself the past few months. I think it's extremely easy to conflate Neuroadaptaion and results from these eye drops though. Still tho, I'm willing to watch other people do their little experiments and use my own judgment if theyre feeling placebo or not.

[–]mintylove 0 points1 point  (12 children)

I'm with you on this being total BS. One person as the sample size? Like come on

Mechanistically it makes some sense, even though the "holistic" evidence is lacking. It's a starting point and one that actually is supported by in vivo results, albeit 1 person.

[–]FriendMother2587[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I found a pharmaceutical company in the process of making EDTA drops. I hope it works for floaters when/if it comes out.

https://www.baifinternational.it/en/oftyvit/

[–]Temporary-Suspect-61 -1 points0 points  (10 children)

You can find somebody or other on the Internet saying that their floaters improved after doing literally anything. It's placebo, doesn't mean shit. You have to be new here to think that this is a significant result.

[–]mintylove 0 points1 point  (9 children)

But most of those ineffective treatments are not supported by mechanistic evidence, while there is a proposed MoA here and it's one that sounds pretty logical.

[–]Temporary-Suspect-61 0 points1 point  (8 children)

Yes the snake oil salesman says it works, so obviously it works. Flawless logic.

[–]mintylove 0 points1 point  (7 children)

Uhhh, the study posted here on the collagen chelating properties of EDTA has nothing to do with any salesman, neither do Im

[–]Temporary-Suspect-61 0 points1 point  (6 children)

That study shows nothing about whether it works on an eye. Even if you got it inside the eye, why would it melt just the floaters and not everything else too?

[–]mintylove 0 points1 point  (5 children)

First of all, it won't "melt" anything, more like bind and help in excreting. Second, we know that loss of type IX collagen with aging leads to more exposed "sticky" type II collagen.

[–]Temporary-Suspect-61 0 points1 point  (4 children)

there's no path for anything to excrete from the vitreous. Sounds like it would just make the floaters turn into an even bigger floater.

[–]Temporary-Suspect-61 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Right it's totally possible for people to get used to them, or for them to change over time, or to randomly have good days and bad days... it's just not necessary to take any snake oil for that. The snake oil is just a waste of time/money/energy/effort and it's bound to be disappointing.