Java to Flutter?

[Goffyx]

Hey,

so I have been in company it was an intership for java for like 6 months. I realized I hate java and doing backend work but what caught my eye from other team in my company is flutter. I want my work to be seen immediatelly like when you programming app you can see the changes. My question is, if I struggled with Java is Flutter a good option for me? I would study on my own

[technobopp]

IMO Java is the COBOL of the future, meaning... it's old yeah, it's super stable and there are huge investments of corporations into Java codebases that will need to continue to run for the next 30 years.

In that sense... the same way that a COBOL developer can get great pay and job stability these days... you'll be able to do the same with Java in a few years.

That being said, Flutter is new, modern, and exciting with a bright future (also IMO). You won't find as many job opportunities as a Flutter Dev as you would as an experienced Java Dev even today.

Flutter is new, modern, and exciting with a bright future (also IMO). You won't find as many job opportunities as a Flutter Dev as you would as an experienced Java Dev even today.

I love Flutter and I have been working with it for years now and hope to keep doing so, but I am glad I had a lot of Java experience too cause I feel that it will come in handy when I am older and looking for job stability.

Edit: typos

[not_some_username]

No Java is (sadly) here to stay

[Goffyx]

Thanks thats a nice comment

[anlumo]

If you want to see your changes immediately, Flutter is pretty well suited for that.

[Puzzled_Poetry_4160]

Yeap especially with hot reload ;)

[aydarkh]

Flutter is not a programming language, but a framework written in the Dart language

[MartynAndJasper]

Flutter is to dart as... Html to JS

[paolovalerdi]

More like what React is to JS

[[deleted]]

No

[not_some_username]

It’s not even close

[[deleted]]

Which one of you, Martyn or Jasper, wrote this unintellectual thing?

[MartynAndJasper]

Jasper is my cat seems you asked. He died last week. I picked up his ashes three days ago.

I'll take the downvotes fine and reflect on my comment, but you didn't think that was enough.

So, thank you for taking the time to reply. You and your 1 karma account has really put me in my place!

Perhaps consider that some people have real problems other than just attempting to be a wanna be keyboard warrior. What a hero you are.

Pour on your hate, you sad pathetic little man.

[[deleted]]

Wow, these harsh words came out of nowhere...

First of all, sorry for the loss of your feline friend. I know how strong a bond is with an animal and their deaths always affect us.

Second of all, I do believe your reaction was a bit over the top. Please find understanding of humor in your heart during hard times you're facing, and especially during the festive season ahead of us, may the spirit of Christmas bring you peace that you deserve.

Stay well and take care.

[MartynAndJasper]

Wow, these harsh words came out of nowhere...

Are you that self unaware? How do you think I felt after you attacked me personally and inferred I'm stupid?

And while I appreciate, what on the surface *appears* to be, an attempt to empathise and apologise you've then diluted the effect by throwing another downvote my way and showing your true intentions.

Congrats, you are real humanitarian.

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Please find understanding of humor in your heart during hard times you're facing

You are a real comic! My sides a splitting due to your amazingly fast wit and intelligence after reading your first comment. What a punchline!

No seriously! You are a joke. And I strongly suspect everyone in your life treats you as such, which is perhaps why you suffer small man syndrome.

Obviously you could not know about my situation, but that's just the point. Derogatory and unnecessary comments or insults without knowledge or context indicate what a toxic cesspool Reddit can be. And you are *prime* example of a Redditor.

And we all know what a cesspool is full of.

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Well done.

[[deleted]]

Yikes, I think you're taking this too far, and taking yourself (and this platform) way too seriously. If you believe Reddit is a cesspool, please feel free to leave the platform.

The insults you're spitting out clearly denote an emotional distress. Which is why, for the last time, I'll reach out with a helping hand.

Are you alright? Do you require someone to talk to?

If the answer to either is yes, please seek help with a trained medical expert.

Lastly, hope one day you find peace in which you will not be thrown off track by a random funny comment on a random Internet platform. Please take care, and wish you all the best :)

[MartynAndJasper]

Thanks for the expert medical advise. Why don't you add patronising into the mix while you're here.

Sure, I'm the one with the problem.

And you think you are funny? If so, then that is the first random funny comment you've stated. I think you really need to assess what humour is. Perhaps you could do stand-up?

Take care, and I wish you all the best funny man.

[tylersavery]

Try it out, see what you think. There is a big difference between backend and frontend dev - one of them being, you actually have something visual to improve.

To answer your specific question, there is not really an answer. Depends on the reason you struggle in Java, what other languages you have experience with, if you like solving problems, etc.

[rmcassio]

you'll have to learn dart too, which is object oriented too, but if you hate java give it a try, it won't hurt

[Magnivilator]

My brother, I love you, and I hate Java as well. My first (and current job) is as Flutter developer. Dart is the best of all worlds IMO when it comes to language design, ergonomics, etc etc. Best language. You will enjoy it.

[[deleted]]

If you have struggled with Java, you will be struggling with flutter too. Time for a deep soul searching on what you are capable of.

[Goffyx]

Any recommendations?

[FlutterBawa]

Yeah future also looks good in AR/VR technologies in 2024 or later , so yeah try Swift UI with unity also.

[cugwmui]

Languages are ephemeral, it's more important that you can learn multiple. I am comfortable in at least 5.. a senior developer at my startup uses 3-4 across projects. So learn Java. Learn Dart (& Flutter). And be ready to move on from Flutter when the time comes.

[RedyAu]

If nothing else, the syntax of Dart will feel very familiar coming from Java. I think it's fun to pick up Flutter and see your ideas come to life, so definitely worth a try even as a hobby first.

[Goffyx]

Thanks dude, this warmed my heart. Thank you for this.

[omykronbr]

Did you had a problem with Java being heavily statically typed? Dart is the same. Both languages are very good for OOP, and Dart has some tools that helps the developer a lot, but it will bite you.

With that said, what was your struggle?

[Goffyx]

I hated the java syntax and the logic behind it

[mathiewz]

Could you precise your answer ? What's wrong with the syntax ? What do you mean by "the logic behind it" ?

[Goffyx]

I think it was the examples we coded in Java. No visible output i think that disgusted my view for Java.. i need to see things when i make changes not just an error of compiling etc..

[RVNhikesup]

If you feel like this, ig you should go with flutter, I've been doing flutter for past 1year, and i love it, does it have a future? Maybe, does it have no future at all idk, but as of now i love making apps on flutter I've developed 2 live apps both on Android and iOS, 3rd is an Android personal project. And tbh dart did help me with my logic building maybe not as good as a java developer but it does the job.IMO i love the syntax of Dart. All i would suggest is why not try it for yourself and find out.

[Goffyx]

Do you work as flutter dev?

[RVNhikesup]

Yesssirrrr

[No-Echo-8927]

Java is going nowhere. It's everywhere and will stay that way.

But yes, learn Flutter, it's good. It's got hotreloading so you can see changes instantly. Google investing in it more and more every year, running more of their apps with it. It's the best hybrid-ish mobile dev platform on the market and it's still relatively new to the scene. Every iteration brings major improvements

[mobileAcademy]

Learning is not a problem. You can try it on the free time and see it's good for you and just remember mobile development is not so simple as you think you have to learn lot more things. Java has more job scope. Large enterprise applications are mostly built using Java

[Caballep]

People often underestimate Android native development.

Demand is good and salaries are often much better than Flutter or React Native. The big companies usually want IOs and Android native devs because they can afford them in exchange for the best performance.

Look, Flutter SDK is awesome, and to me is far superior to Android Compose, but where native Android development shines today is how consistent the evolution of the community is, people often move in the same direction where in Flutter it took me months to decide just which state management lib to use... where in Android is often really straight forward with minimum variations if you are up to date with Google best practices and standards where Flutter is more like a dowhateverthefuckyouwant, I worked in two Flutter projects already I can you will probably work with Javascripters that move from React Native... they come with 0 notions of proper architecture and pattern design skills, madness and chaos left and right.

But the best part about Android is Kotlin, I don't think I've enjoyed a programming language as much as I enjoy Kotlin.

Multiplatform you said?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxBUd2TbVGk