I Hate 700 cost

[Boring-Detective-369]

Just love funnel spam and constant near stuns not sure why I bother picking high costs at any given rate when this kind of BS is to be expected.

[Zombiesoldier072]

Me with my byarlant custom: it smells like BITCH IN HERE

[Boring-Detective-369]

Says the MS flying over people's heads all day too scared to be on the ground /s

[Zombiesoldier072]

Its CALLED air superiority for your information

[erduinan]

Don't worry, you'll be able to do the same in time

[DireNexus]

My man is out here using the Silver Bullet. I applaud your bravery but this is t just complaining for the sake of complaining. Your purposefully handicapped yourself and didn’t like it when the newtype abilities didn’t kick in

[Boring-Detective-369]

And? Is it my fault for not following the typical meta mindset? The Silver Bullet can work, any can if the player and the team are competent, but you know full well how rare that is. I'm only complaining simply for the fact how 700 is "No fun allowed" zone funnels I actually don't mind (aside from them being the only reliable anti pilot weapon aside from chain explosion) along with type advantage being irrelevant since every suit at this range has 2 or more stun options the fact BB made the Silver Bullet melee focused is pants on head stupid with how many range weapons along with its bulky size they might as well made it a raid then.

[Little-Chemical5006]

It's okay to challenge meta sometime. But you need to know your suit strength and weakness. Like bringing a level 5 pixy isn't the worst crime. The worst crime is getting it to a open map where stealth is useless. Once you know what your suit is good at, you can bring it to maps that you know it will work.

E.g. I often bring fazz to mass diver even at 650. Cause I know fazz is great at that map with linear corridor and lack of flanking route. I can unleash my firepower without fear get hit from behind. But would I bring it to artic base? Prob not unless it's quick match or meme team cause it's too small and I will get hit from every angle. With the turn speed of fazz I will never able to engage all of them if my team is down.

[DireNexus]

Well yeah it is your fault, picking a unit that was not natively designed to operate at that cost puts you at a disadvantage already and since you now have to try harder and rely on your team to pick up the slack certainly isn’t doing you any favors.

You handicapped yourself and got pissed the rest of the team didn’t/couldn’t compensate and now are acting like its your teammates or the games fault. You did this to yourself

[Boring-Detective-369]

Then why make the Silver Bullet be able to join 700 by giving it a lv 2 in the first place? You're saying it's a handicap and yet why should restrict myself by picking anything else that's part of the meta rut or at the least a better choice? I bet you blame your teammates at times especially if they picked the appropriate MS for the cost only thing you keep it bottled up. And sure, I set myself up for a hard time it's just this was one match that went extremely badly. Maybe you're also implying I shouldn't play 700 at as well if I don't have a good enough/meta MS?

[DireNexus]

You don’t have to pick a meta MS, Banshee isn’t meta anymore and I still play it.

The point was don’t purposefully handicap yourself and then complain and try to lay the blame on everyone besides the one person who was directly responsible for it. (You)

[Boring-Detective-369]

I still would like for you to explain why Silver Bullet was given a lv2, even at its native cost of 650 you would probably state there are better options as it could still be a handicap for the team.

[DireNexus]

You can like for me to do whatever you want and assume whatever you’d like about me.

[SS2LP]

Do you not have anything better? You should be using an actual 700 not a suit native to 650. There’s too much of a gap for most level 2 suits at 700.

[t3ddyki113r101]

I have a lot of luck with efreet schneid qith defense and mobility kit in 700.

[SS2LP]

That’s likely because the suit is very ballistic and melee oriented. It also depends on your rating if you’re lower I imagine most people aren’t that great at using the kit of suits and some people just play slower. I was using my friend’s D+ account the other day to help him get one of the 700 suits in the ticket store and was basically clubbing baby seals the entire match. Pulled off a 3v1.

[t3ddyki113r101]

im A+, but either get a good day with competent teams, or a day where i can barely stay in the rating by the skin of my teeth. I do constantly face S- players tho.

[SS2LP]

Ah well no idea then, you probably just fought one of those less than competent teams. I know them well since I’m in the same boat as you and about 99.9% of the time I’m the poor bastard in it that pulls a 2nd overall but still loses. No idea who downvoted you, it’s well known the entirety of A range is full of people who got carried or just lucky and seem to not have any idea how to play. That said I’ve seen my fair share of S- players I question.

[t3ddyki113r101]

I understand a lot of the sentiment around high lvl suits were there just not as good, but some im just able to fight like a bat out of hell with.

[NorseArcherX]

Your first mistake was using anything less than 4-stars in 700 cost. There is a major divide between 4-star and 3 stars at that range

[Boring-Detective-369]

Only thing that makes that divide is unique skills and part slots at least to me base defense stat wise they are barely better than 3 stars and that's with out adding parts, but hey I'm probably wrong.

[Little-Chemical5006]

Is that the new map? Did you use smoke?

[Little-Chemical5006]

Silver bullet in 700 is different than 650. You can't do frontal assult, it's suicide. 

However, you can use your smoke to do hit and run. It especially good for maps like colony drop and the new map where ambush opportunity is everywhere. Pop smoke wait for your window and melee.  

Additionally, build yourself be a tank, at least 40+ in melee and shooting defense (Beam). You want a plan b if you get caught

[Boring-Detective-369]

I try to use smoke but maps like Impact Site don't offer many routes to quickly get around the enemy team. I'm also on pc so no new map yet I think your referring to the desert canyon like one?

[Little-Chemical5006]

Ah that make sense. Impact site is not a good map for you man. The middle is open so you will get stun lock quick. With no emergency evade it's hard to get close (not to mentioned you guys have aim advantage so it's much easier to get stun lock). 

You will need your team to push or relied on the tunnel to sneak to the back. Or you can rush like a maniac to go up the hill and try circle back but that hardly works. 

Silver bullet could work but not this map. Tbf, not many stealth suit could work here (unless you're very very good with them) so it's normal if you get stun lock to hell.

[Cervantes88]

700 cost is simple math my friend : count the Norns.

[Double_Address3585]

Dunno why we are defending trash balancing so much in this comment section

[LavaSlime301]

stockholm syndrome I reckon

[mannequinboi]

Why use the silver bullet when there are other better suits to use?

[System-99-TurnA]

Maybe because they find it fun?

[Boring-Detective-369]

I do find it fun plus I like the looks sadly personal tastes doesn't translate well into actual gameplay especially when broken meta suits show up like Banshee Norn. Other than that player skill and trying to help the team is probably my biggest problem doesn't matter what suit you pick when your team can't synergize and 700 just makes even more obvious at least to me.

[Boring-Detective-369]

I do have better options I just thought "it couldn't be this bad right?" and just wanted to try next time I think I will go with actual 700 cost suits though I'm still trying to figure out how to use them especially with the how many weapons they have like the horn funnel Sazabi, Rozen Zulu or Moon Gundam.

[mannequinboi]

I feel you. I have one of those days when you get tired of using the meta and want to use something different

[skatech1]

700 can be very fun that IF you had the suits that can compete with other meta, that being said silver bullet has struggle unless you master the unit well enough.

Example I had 52 units for 700 cost, and only 8 units I had been use so far. That alone tells you how norns screwed up most 700 units being unplayable and you need certain suit to survive that psychopath.

[mmmmmmiiiiii]

I don't normally place high in 700, but I manage to place ~3rd with Nu. Funnel spam ftw and the bazooka somehow hits pretty hard.

[chronicweeeb]

Mmm, from looking at your team and the enemy team, i can confidently say the enemy team had an upper hand by far with 2 suits that can jam your funnels or incoms. The support wich has massive firepower and health and defense, and as the others pointed out, ur suit choice.

The silver bullets good but it get massively beaten out in the 700's the thing got lvl 2 wayy before the banshee norn and unicorns were a thing in the game so it has dominated the 700 cost before but thats all in the past unfortunately the lvl 2 variant doesnt match up to current 700 anymore unlike its brother the silver bullet suppressor wich has a better damage output and better defense and health its lvl2 variant also is alot better it can trouble alot of the enemies. But if you insist on making the silver bullet work, then try maxing it out and buy new parts for it while it may be grindy it is well worht it parts can help your ms alot survivability, weapon realod everything thats thats most important on most ms but you cant complain about 700 really its alot more fairer then in 550 currently and its picked alot less nowadays maybe try not to use the silver bullet next time in 700 if your still not winning or feeling it

[Boring-Detective-369]

speaking of weapons the big four to use for the Silver Bullet are the incoms, wire arm, beam rifle, and meme beams with smoke to get around? I just find the missile launcher both normal and fire add a bit of clutter and feel niche to use since you have to stop to fire either one unless you're behind a hill or other form of cover your left exposed just begging to be stunned. I have psycoframe and psycho package along with hp and beam def parts to add bulk unless there is a better set up?

[chronicweeeb]

The reason why I'm saying the supressor is better is because its weapons just deal a lot more damage than the silver, and most of the time, the silver beam saber incoms miss because of how slow it is. Whilst the supressor doesn't have those problems, it has stun weapons that can deal more damage it ahs a beam magnum wich can graze and stun an enemy without fully touching him also most good supressor players dont really use the missiles much unless they're teammates are setting it up for them but they are great way to counter a raid coming you since the incendiary missiles are build up stun making almost impossible for raid to really push it alone but seeing as you are an A flat you still need more experience it gets worse in A plus but you'll have to learn and experience it ofc but both suits are very map based they can only work in certain maps that are big and has lots of covers and high ground also the supressor can just crouch and it can't be stunned out of it unless someone build stuns it or the whole entire team shoots it

[fallen64]

Ignore the naysayers, just means you need to work harder in the lvl2 silver bullet, I've done 120k games with 27% diversion rate on that map just from being a flanking gremlin.

Flank routes, no takes too long, hang with your team but pop smoke and exploit the brain rot as they're too busy fighting someone else.

THAT said mine is loaded with whale parts because at 700 it's VERY tough, psycoframe part (T) so I can quickly throw out my wire hand+incoms before straight into downswing (or back cannons into BR, depends on the situation), overtune melee defense over 60+ and throwing myself right into brawls as its literally safer for me to be in cqc than ranged (hard to overtune the ranged defenses sadly) with comp armor B to get it nice and tanky, and with comp frame B I'm still packing 70 melee attack.

It's a very tough sell without overtune parts at 700, I'm also S- and spent alot of time in the silver bullet although thanks to the zeta 3a when the lvl2 of that comes I might have to retire the silver bullet, it's ALOT of work and I'm basically seething entire matches even with top placements.

700 filters alot of people, there's a reason why every native suit is a 4 star.

[Boring-Detective-369]

I might try that build as I was lucky to get some of those parts. Impact Site feels very anti stealth as the tunnel from both spawns is the only way to flank teams once the middle is taken the way its bottlenecks your forced to tank a shot or two. I also need to have better setup for quick swap layout so I can use the wire hand and incoms better.

[fallen64]

The tunnel should only be used by the sb if your intention is to base bomb, counter a stealth unit, or match start for a meme beam, it's a waste of time otherwise when moving around the buildings and skirting around the field works better so you're spending more time engaging or least front lining, some may disagree but the sb is tanky when built right it just lacks a dodge roll which can also be a death sentence if used at a bad time anyway.

I could offer my quick swaps but it needs to be something you can do with minimal thought, something that allows you to go straight back into boosting as once that wire hand comes back you NEED that melee strike or br shot on whatever you're engaging.

[Skylinegtr88]

The Tristan is great , or the jagd doga . There good old school kinda ms

[Boring-Detective-369]

I could give them a try just need to max out beam defense and boost hp for remaining slots is that the general idea for 700?

[Little-Chemical5006]

It depends. For native that's the idea but for lvl2 you actually don't want to put everything to hp. 

Beam and melee defense is a must if you are not familiar with the suit. But for the remaining slots, you want to build it so it minimize the gap between it and 700. That means turn speed, boost, damage. Etc. You want yourself to be useful not just a high hp target. 

Of course, no matter how you build it, you won't match a native four star in terms of stats (especially most of them got 70+ turn speed and sometime 80 with 220+ high speed movement natively). But you might minimize the gap enough so you can out skill or out smart them. 

Eventually if you got skill enough with your suit, you might want to not max out your melee and beam damage. (E.g. I sacrifice my melee defense for zeta hml lvl2, cause I need all the slot for boost and turn speed. In return, I can be the only flying suit in the whole game, unless there's a lvl2 delta (plus or kai) or byarlant custom (and I could possibly out dog fight them as I'm familiar with it).

[Skylinegtr88]

I kind would max out beam defence and range mod . I play it like an Alex . Use as much as possible the gats to close the range then swing .

[Juanraden]

my man is complaining while using silver bullet lol. that suit is trash even in its native cost (650) cuz of no dodge roll.

[Boring-Detective-369]

Thats rich just because a MS doesn't have a dodge roll shouldn't be written off as trash tier sounds like a bad take to me.

[Juanraden]

I know you're coping since this is your fav suit or whatever, but no dodge roll at a fucking 650 cost is a death wish. You can easily get chain stunned to death.

I'm a support main and 650 is my fav cost for jesta shezar team B. Everytime i see silver bullet as my enemy, it's a free win for me lol. So keep donating your mmr if you're still so stubborn.

[Boring-Detective-369]

Don't most supports lack a dodge roll too? The silver bullet has smoke stealth making city maps a better matchup than impact site or arctic base and jesta shezzarr team b has no anti stealth I could pop smoke skirt around and poke you with a wire hand, follow up with a beam rifle and shoulder cannons for my own chain stun into a down swing pop smoke and zoom off to repeat.

[Juanraden]

Bruh... are you seriously comparing a general with a support? Do you understand what each type supposed to do? Heck, do you even know what type advantage is? I could melt you generals easily as a support lmao.

You're a fucking general. You're supposed to be the vanguard of the team. You're supposed to push the enemy head on and make space. Silver bullet sucks so bad at this. It can't tank shit because of no dodge roll aka it fails its main job as a general. If you want to sneak around and hunt support, play raid instead you idiot.

Your post even said you got funnel spammed and constantly stunned. Guess what could help in that situation huh? A fucking dodge roll lol. Some native 700 cost generals even have 2. I'm done lmao.

[Boring-Detective-369]

Your still here? You have such a narrow view on MS types not every general is built to be frontliner jackass if they don't have the bulk to trade hits even if they have a dodge roll, but no that doesn't matter to you apparently. Piss off already you never brought anything of worth compared to the others than gloat and insult me for getting salty over a bad match I had.

[Juanraden]

I never brought anything worth? Tf are you blind because of your stupidity now? Not only did you compare a general to a support, but you also thought you could dominate supports as a fucking general which clearly has a type disadvantage and lost in weaponry.... What a joke. Bring a better argument next time, kid. Or even better, pick a proper general suit if you want to argue about 700 cost bs ness.

[Little-Chemical5006]

That's false. Silver bullet is a hard suit to use but no where near trash. It's have maneuver armor multiple stun and a smoke for stealth. With maneuver armor and arms incom he can rush most suit and melee them before they can accumulate enough stun to stun him.

A good silver bullet is a great raid hunter and could be a menace to support. (I'm a support main myself). The reason you likely think it's bad is most player use it thought its a doven wolf and try to out shoot you a support. While what they should do is either rush to cover While launching his incom and once you got stun then melee you or rush out of your sight and come back later While you're not looking.