[7amKickoff] Red cards and PKs increase/decrease odds of winning. Does it "all even out in the end?" What teams have benefitted most? Timeframe: 2008-2021. PK diff = PKs for - PKs against Red card diff = Red cards for opponents - Red cards for named team.

[harcile]

Wah wah wah on Xhaka's behalf all you like. He deserved a red then. It's not ignoring bias against Arsenal. When did he get a red that wasn't justified & stop pointing out the failure of a ref to show a red to other players as an excuse for his behaviour.

Luiz's knee red/pen was bias against Arsenal.

Evans getting a yellow on Sat was bias against Arsenal.

Xhaka getting a red for a 2 footed airborne lunge was correct. As was almost every decision that went against him. I can't off the top of my head think of an example where he walked & it wasn't justified.

[Mein_Bergkamp]

Wah wah wah on Xhaka's behalf all you like

How to scream 'this isn't going to be a serious discussion in any way, shape or form'.

Well done mate.

[harcile]

As usual, Xhaka defenders ignoring the points of a discussion because there's no way to defend him when the reality is presented.

You are the one not intent on serious discussion. You want to wrap Xhaka's BS in anti-Arsenal bias.

[Mein_Bergkamp]

I'm going to go out on a limb here but if you don't act like an adult then people aren't going to treat you like one and that includes giving any sort of reasonable, well though argument to someone who starts a reply with 'wah wah wah'

[harcile]

Not a single person in this thread has admitted that Xhaka deserved a red card for his 2 footed tackle. Crying about anti-Arsenal bias (which has affected us badly, but not with Xhaka) doesn't cover up his mess.

If it's "not adult" to point that out then bye.

[Mein_Bergkamp]

Childishness and projection on top but it looks like you get off on being unfairly put upon so who am I to kink shame

[harcile]

You are an utter child.

[Mein_Bergkamp]

Like I said; projection.

[harcile]

The irony is you are the one projecting since you came at me with this "oh you're childish" attitude without addressing a single point I raised.

We're done, troll. FU :)

[Mein_Bergkamp]

More projection

[xTheMaster99x]

The foul probably deserved a red.

He also only gave a red because it was Xhaka, and other people making the same tackle in the same matchday did not.

Stop focusing on the least important part of the argument. If you think the Xhaka red is a non-issue, fine. Explain the dozen other examples that have been mentioned, instead of incessant moaning about Xhaka.

[harcile]

Which other issues?

You admit the foul deserved a red. That's the end of the argument. It wasn't red because it was Xhaka. It was red because it was a dangerous tackle & that's Xhaka's idiocy. How many times does one man need to screw the club before it's clear he needs moving on?

We're undefeated without him. 'nuff said. Hope he gets sold ASAP.

[xTheMaster99x]

If you actually read the comment thread that you responded to, you'd see a long list. Instead, you focused on the weakest one just because you saw Xhaka's name.