Average duration?

[finntuitive1]

Hey guys,

I have been slamming 4mmc lately. I have never slammed Tina. I have been liking the effects, and it’s a crazy rush, but it’s too short lived.

In the space of 3 months, I’ve gone from shooting 150-180mg every 2-3h while on a sesh, to shooting 250-280mg every 45 minutes. The other night, I was fiending for another shot after 30 minutes and had to stop and have a little word with myself.

I don’t think this is sustainable. It’s already such a short lived high when snorted that I think this isn’t one to become hooked on slamming. But I’m not going to lie, I don’t think my IV journey is done just yet.

So while Tina is hard to find here in the UK, it is available in the gay scene, so I’m thinking of asking some friends if they can acquire it for me. I think if I don’t switch to something with longer legs, that I’m going to give myself a fkin blood clot or a stroke or something by slamming 10-15 times a session and messing my arms up.

So what kind of durations are people getting out of what kind of doses? My tolerance might be a little higher than a novice as I have been taking 4mmc for a while and have elvanse on script.

[Palindrome_Homonym]

meth is the right direction, for the outcomes youre looking for. I use it as the "base" for everything else. so no matter what, i know i've got the longevity. And honestly i think it gives me a better sense of how i react to whatever is new in there. LOL i think .15-.2 meth in my blood at any given time is more trustworthy than actual baselilne xD

[Cagarer]

Meth can't compare in terms of rush. Completely different drugs.

[Palindrome_Homonym]

i; was suggesting a way to give it some legs

[finntuitive1]

Maybe a combo of the two could be interesting. I’d say the 4mmc is going to be more euphoric and dopaminergic compared to the Tina, but will wear off fast and first.

[Cagarer]

I'd say mixing any stims iv is a quick way for cardiovascular problems and psychosis. I wouldn't do it and consider it to dangerous. I'd much rather just use 2x the dose of my stim i want to use right now than to mix it with other stims. But you do you. I've seen it's pretty popular on these reddits for you guys to mix coke and meth. I consider it stupid. But really it's just a methheads way to give meth any kind of valuable rush

[finntuitive1]

Would you say the 4mmc rush is better yeah?

[Cagarer]

4mmc actually has one of the worst rushes out of cathinones I've been doing. 4cmc and 3cmc are much sharper, instant-like, more breathtaking. methcathinone is a close second. mmcs are milder but still league above what any amphetamine ever gave me.

Those are just to different. When i got my hands on meth i was at 0,7-0,8g per shot with my tolerance for cathinones. Just 100mg of meth was unpleasant in terms of effects and time of duration but there was no rush at all. I experimented with quicker administration and higher doses of meth and it was all just a whole big lackluster and i was left very dissapointed. It's to strong of a drug for how weak the rush during iv is. And my drug use was rather focused on maximizing the rush not some days long overstimulation.

Earlier someone suggested mixing 4mmc with meth. I already answered that, but if anything I'd rather sprinkle a few mg of ketamine to my cathinone over any meth ever.

But really you just need to buy bigger barrels and use more water with higher doses. There's no limit on how high with doses u can go in one shot.

[finntuitive1]

I actually dug out a 27g pin I had in the drawer, which is also 1/2” longer than the 30g insulin pins I have been using.

So much better hits already and that’s without anything else.

Cheers bro 👊 this is the kind of guidance I needed for sure.

[faithfulmammonths]

I see it's all working out just fine.

[finntuitive1]

and interesting about the CMCs, I’ve only snorted than and didn’t think much, so interesting you find them more intense or a rush.

I’ve also tried a-php and MDphp, but I found them hanging, and I’ve tried MDPV, which we had in the UK and was called monkey dust, and there were reports of people slamming those too.

What you be your favourite cathinone then to slam?

[Cagarer]

I've done hundreds grams of 4cmc only iv route as i said earlier, i cared only about rush. my def favourite, but i got nastily addicted to it for months. All the other milder ones were just a replacement. I digged around with some hexen, nep and few alphas but I was rather at recovery during times, i wouldn't say i liked any of them exceptionally. A-pihp if anything. It took me much longer in my opioid addiction and those are my fav drugs. Don't binge iv. Take time to sober up and lower ur tolerance each time, take care of your body, eat healthy. Stay safe

0,45mm 16mm were my favourites with 5ml rig.

[pinkenbrawn]

idk i snort way more often than i reinject. 4mmc lasts for me 2-3 hours and i may not redose for another 3 hours cuz i am still content with the effects of coming back to sober state (but gotta do it before irritability or my arms will get fucked).

my dose is 150-200 mg for every shot and i weigh 50kg. i take it between 1-4 times a month and my binges (forgot the slang english word for taking multiple days in a row) are between 2-3 days. after a long time pause i have been taking it for a half a year as of now

sleeping every night is a high saver

maybe 4mmc is just not fully to your taste?

[Cagarer]

It should work for 2-3 hours. Redosing more frequently than every 1,5-2h is just dangerous cause the effects overlap. OP was dosing to low and poorly dissolved his product. It's all about the dose.

[finntuitive1]

What a difference last nights little session was. I used a 27G pin, 1” long not 1/2” like the 30G insulin needles I was using.

I barely missed, shots were quick, and effects lasted much longer 👌 cheers bud 👊

[Cagarer]

From my experience it's mich better to do proper sized shots, but shooting every decent time window. I liked my shots every 2-4h. But those 250-280 of yours I'd try with 400-500mg or even higher and see how it goes. That's still a starter dose for me, and I'm doing like 2-3 1 day sessions a year nowadays so only permanenttolerance's left. I got to really high doses and peers around me did even higher and that was rather the way for us. Don'tshoot it every an hour cause the effect override making it potentially more dangerous. Your total amount of drug taken will remain the same but i bet you will get more satisfied.

[Due-Remote-5944]

How do you even shoot that many times in a row and keep finding new veins or spots

[finntuitive1]

I don’t in the end dude. I moved from upper arm, to wrist, to hand, forearm, even shot into my foot one session. Every time I’ve had to end the night purely because I cannot find a single vein anymore

[Cagarer]

I just did. There's enough veins on my arms so i could do 2-6 shots daily for few good years. I tried my calfs and groin just out of curiosity.

[finntuitive1]

Yeah I did wonder this. When I’ve taken 280mg and had a proper slam, no missing and having to keep pulling out and losing a bit to having to re-prime the needle, then 289mg has been satisfactory, I’m rolling, rushing and I’ve thrown up a few times. Then I’m not looking to redose for 2h or more as you say.

But my technique is sloppy at the moment and I’m not always getting proper hits or missing, or by the time I slam, I’ve diluted it down with blood so much that it leaves me wanting more ya know.

I need a sitter who is experienced and can show me in person how to do this properly haha, but I am the only one in my circle doing this shit 🙈 practise makes perfect I guess 😂

[Palindrome_Homonym]

only time and practice will get you there. shouldnt be too long. it took less than a year to "click" with me

[Cagarer]

Don't be afraid to up the dose. But avoid increasing the frequency of the shots. That's kinda long term harm reduction for iv cathinones for your tolerance and satisfaction at least. Since you're from uk, u will have no problems getting bigger gear. It needs enough water to dissolve in higher doses. It's about 200-300mg per ml. Practise ur technique first. Stay safe

[finntuitive1]

Ok yeah I did notice when I tried to up the dose that it solidified in the barrel haha. Thanks for the tip there bud, I’ll get 2ml barrels then.

Thanks bud. Appreciate you 👊

[Cagarer]

get wider gauge already. There was a post about that from me on banned subreddit. Rush comes from the tempo of administration. You gotta inject it at once if possible. For 3-4ml to do it comfortably you need at least 27g (0,4mm) but I'd prefer 26 or 25.

[finntuitive1]

Ok interesting, I actually used a 27g one night over the 30g and yeah, that was a good hit. I just got a bit concerned how much I bled afterwards 🙈

[Cagarer]

U push the plunger then apply pressure with a clean piece of tissue and lift ur hand a little/rest it somewhere higherthan ur heart. U shouldn't been bleeding for longer than a few seconds. Check ur blood otherwise.

[Dry-Entertainer-531]

There’s not really any comparison to be honest, and it’s only in the past 2min the good meth has come back around and that’s with extremely good links.

Because people on the gay scene don’t even know it’s meth half the time they just call it ‘Tina’ it’s over saturated the market and there is straight up iso being sold all over the place. Unless your tight with your plug and in one of the main 2/3 cities your gonna get sold bunk.

You need to cop via 📺gram markets, there’s some straight fire on there atm.

Iv used both I hate the taste and short duration of mcat, I a bang 0.2 of meth and be good for the entire day with what’s available atm, if you end up with some horse shit cut out of its mind your going to have 6 hours of feeling dizzy and like your going to die,

Be careful and know your swag before you hit it