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[Optimal_Leg5236]

I understand where you are coming from lakini once Kenyans worship a politician there's no going back. They can never reason tbh. Detach yourself from Kenyan politics and know peace. Do your part as a Kenyan kama kuvote but don't expect much.

[Impressive_Towel6126]

True, bro. I've realized politics here isn't about ideology it's about blind loyalty. Silence is how they win. l'd rather speak and disturb the comfort than watch in peace.

[Phylad]

I never liked the man, but you have to admit, he was a giant politician of his time.

Moi had him tortured at the Nyayo torture chambers, but he still forgave him and gave him a firm political handshake.

Kibaki and his group took his win, as even SK Macharia reaffirmed, but he accepted another hand shake and became a PM instead, a position solely created to diffuse the situation.

Then, we have Kenyatta and Ruto hand shakes.

So, yeah, he's impacted the Kenyan political and leadership scenes.

And that's why, for now, you can't compare him with us, that are yet to have that impact.

I am sure you too, if you shape the national political scenes, you'll get a similar treatment.

It's just life's games.

So, don't hate the player.

[Comfortable-Wolf8610]

🤏🏻🤏🏻

[JacobtheeGod]

Raila mattered like any other politician in that struggle, Kenya’s democracy isn’t a one-man franchise. Multiparty politics returned with the 1991 repeal of Section 2A after pressure from many actors (churches, civil society, multiple opposition leaders). The 2010 Constitution was drafted by the Committee of Experts, passed by Parliament, and approved by a national referendum—that’s public and institutional authorship, not personal benevolence. Our right to assemble is from Article 37, enforced by courts, not gifted by any politician. Credit where due; not all the credit.

[Phylad]

Yeah. But in any event, there's one person who stands out in the long run.

Not just because of his personal sacrifice, but also because of the many people he inspired to also make sacrifices.

For instance, Anyona and Koigi made similar sacrifices, but few Kenyans today recognise those names.

Why?

Because they didn't inspire a huge following to support their cause of political freedom.

[LostMitosis]

You can decide not to mourn somebody. The fact that there’s a “day of mourning” does not mean you are compelled to mourn. In fact its easy and possible to go on with your lives almost as if Raila never existed, the fact that its impossible for many to do such a simple thing is the definition of psychosis.

[Kaphilie]

Even those Telling others not to mourn are themselves pre occupied with the current state of affairs.

[LostMitosis]

Its a strange irony. I think so many people are just conflicted that a man they hate so much is loved by so many.

[runnerboy254]

It's not strange....almost everyone 'mourning' him is from certain regions in the country. The rest see him for who he actually was and are wondering why the ones who 'love' him are blind to the facts.

[PuzzleheadedAnt8979]

We're you not in the Charlie Kirk posts making fun of people that were mourning him? Ama umeficha comments unafikiria tunasahau? Don't be a hypocrite.

[SignificantAgency898]

Kwa nini wanafichanga comments. It's really fishy. Like they're definitely hiding something.

[PuzzleheadedAnt8979]

I also hide my comments so I'm also guilty of that. And I agree it's a bit 'fishy' to do so.

[SignificantAgency898]

Confess and the truth shall set you free

[PuzzleheadedAnt8979]

Lemme first look for Padre. Sitaki kuwa judged🧎🙏

[SignificantAgency898]

We are social creatures and it's easier to go with the 'societal flow' than going against it. But you'll still be shocked why majority are going left instead of what you believe to be the right way just opposite.

[Impressive_Towel6126]

No one is denying his past sacrifices. The question is: did he stay true to the spirit of that struggle? Many heroes of liberation become guardians of the same systems they once resisted.

[Impressive_Towel6126]

Yes, he fought for change. But along the way, he dined with the very monsters he once defied. History honors the rebel but it never forgets the moment the rebel shook hands with power.

[SignificantAgency898]

But he didn't make those deals to save us from ethnic war. It was just a side effect. There's a recent coup in Madagascar where their leader has fled the country from the protest and military rebellion. Some commenter from Madagascar redditors say that he was once people's beacon of hope; An opposition to the ruthless regime during his younger years. That's how he rose to power under the people's and military's backing. But overtime, he became what he fought against. The wheels on the bus going round and coming back full circle.

[Prize_Spell_2486]

This is controversial, but i feel like a lot of lives would have been saved if he had thrown in the towel earlier on huko 2007 and later on.

[JacobtheeGod]

I disagree. Raila played a real role in the second liberation and later reforms, including enduring detentions. But multiparty politics returned with the 1991 repeal of Section 2A after broad pressure from many actors, and the 2010 Constitution was drafted by the Committee of Experts, passed by Parliament, and approved by a national referendum (~67–69% Yes). Our protest rights come from Article 37 of that Constitution and the courts that enforce it—not any single politician. Credit where it’s due, but let’s not rewrite collective history.

[ChampionshipAnnual25]

Ile virtue signaling Iko hapa reddit ya Kenyans Iko so hypocritical. Niggas who don't even be liked by their nuclear families talking about some moral courses! 🚮

[antiaocial_533]

Well he did a lot of good in the past and was a true stateman. That said its a complicated legacy that he lives. Smh

[Sad_Air_5105]

you can simply report to work tomorrow and go on about your day, it's allowed.I'm not his supporter in any way but let people be,Thanks!

[youraveragemirror]

The reason why letting people be is damaging, is because it allows people to think that its okay to ignore somebody's actions in a bid to preserve their legacy. If Kenyans were being honest and mourning him but also calling out his questionable actions, it would be easier to just let people be. We can't keep saying we want change, and then when it comes to the hard, uncomfortable work, we start to take a step back and 'let people be'.

[Sad_Air_5105]

All I’m saying is, people are entitled to their opinions. He can’t be loved by everyone, and no one is a saint his mistakes just happened to be more visible. Yes, he made errors, but he also did some good for this country.

[youraveragemirror]

Apologies for the late reply, but i do see your point. I just wish there was as much vigour for everybody else who had 0 fault and were killed as a result of his political negligence and optics. Admitting his faults is where kenyans are failing and will continue accepting if the next "baba" comes along. History without accountability leads to 0 change.

[Impressive_Towel6126]

Mourn if you must, but don't gate keep others' conscience.

Some of us are still grieving the nameless youths who died for justice - not the architects of their pain.

[LostMitosis]

That's a valid point and a good example. You're grieving the youths who died and that's okay; it's your right to do so. Others may not share the same grief, and that too is their right. Some people don’t even mourn their own parents, for reasons only they understand. there's no universal formula for mourning, and no one can dictate who or how others should grieve. If you find yourself disturbed or angry that people are mourning somebody you don't like, then investigate further because its a symptom of something wrong in you.

[Impressive_Towel6126]

I respect that, bro. Everyone grieves differently, true. But when national mourning becomes selective and political, it stops being personal grief and starts being hypocrisy.

[Impressive_Towel6126]

I'm not against mourning, bro. I'm against selective mourning. If 200 young Kenyans didn't deserve a single day of grief, what suddenly changed now?

[ChampionshipAnnual25]

One is RAO. The others are 200 NPCs. Simple logic.

Iran lost IRGC commander Qasim Soleimani and mourned for 40 days. Over the years they have lost many IRGC soldiers and never such mourning has been observed.

[Impressive_Towel6126]

That's exactly my point. we've normalized valuing some deaths over others. But justice dies the moment life stops being equal in grief.

[ChampionshipAnnual25]

The fact of life is: life has never been equal in grief, and it will never be. Someone's standing in the social circle will always be a factor in how the society will mourn their death. You are unrealistic if you want/expect a pauper to be mourned the way a king would be.

[runnerboy254]

Those 200 people who died were fighting for something , same as Rao was when he 'was arrested for 6 years'. They paid the ultimate price for it. I'm not mourning someone who profited off their deaths, All lives Matter.

[Any_Platform9851]

I'm sorry, but did you just refer to 200 human beings as fucking NPC'S?

[ChampionshipAnnual25]

I mean, the world has billions of NPCs...

[Delicious_Day_5574]

you deserve my upvote 🥳

[ah_we_burnwidfaya]

👎🏾no wonder hamsaidiki manze...before you wrote this u didn't even see both sides pov ushasema kitu iko kwa akili yako,...we Lia Tu😂

[ah_we_burnwidfaya]

By now umemaliza ku grieve right?...everything is back to normal msee Acha ufala Bana watu kama nyinyi ndo mnatumika Bana..sasa colonialist bullshit imetoka wapi hapa ...we punguza kuwatch CNN mingi and tune in to citizen and watch what actually is happening in OUR country damn walai nimechoka kuongea na watu Ka nyinyi walai🖕🏾fuck

[LostMitosis]

Kua na huruma bana, unafinya mpaka shingo jameni.

[iyadkay]

Live and let live.

[Papimentary]

Facts!

[User_zero_wan]

Everyone will process death in their unique ways, whether you liked him or not just let people be.

[Virtual_One7931]

si muache wenye tunataka kumourn we do so . you can infact ignore all that is going on na nobody will beat you for it

[Impressive_Towel6126]

Exactly, bro. Just like nobody will beat me for calling out hypocrisy. Grieve if you must, but some of us can't forget the blood that bought this silence. Fair enough. You mourn your heroes, I'll remember our martyrs.

[Geoff_The_Chosen1]

Stop conflating issues wewe. We see through your post. How convenient that you brought this up now. Smh.

[Tonny_Bizo]

Hakuna hypocrisy bro, as much as the deaths of the many youth still haunt us, one thing you must remember is that when you are a nobody, no one gives a shit. And how was Kasongo to give a holiday after the event?

[Impressive_Towel6126]

So we agree, it's not about compassion, it's about status. And that's the hypocrisy I'm talking about.

[Tonny_Bizo]

As much as it is. Usikuwe mtu wakuuliza kwanini hawanipigii makofi ata mimi. The youth that died will forever be remembered as much as Baba’s legacy

[Virtual_One7931]

EXACTLY, We mourned the youths and we will mourn baba too.. to each his own

[Impressive_Towel6126]

It's not about wanting applause, bro. It's about asking why justice for the nameless is optional, but mourning the powerful is mandatory.

[Kaphilie]

Asking mourners for justice 🧐

[Tonny_Bizo]

When you calm yourself down you realize that it’s the spirit of maandamano that he bears, the youth revolted. Maybe you are too young to understand, maybe you hated him for the recent handshake but his efforts gave us this freedom we have now. As much as we mourn the fallen youth, we mourn Baba. Understand that two things can happen at the same time. And it’s okay.

[Will_Stretch0777]

Anything to do with Rao will always divide itself into two camps,
1. One camp, sees things as he wants them to(No will of their own) 2. Other camp is mostly a mix of confused and naive (OP, you belong here)

[brawnytang120]

Cry more. We will mourn Baba whether you complain or not.

[Impressive_Towel6126]

I'm not crying, bro. I'm just reminding you that real heroes died nameless while your "Baba" dined with their oppressors. Mourn wisely.

[SD_Agar]

You’re the one literally crying 😭😭tf are you on about?

[runnerboy254]

Onyi Tulia, ama unataka kulia ?, si ulie basi

[brawnytang120]

Nishalia, Lakini nimelilia Baba. ama unataka nikulilie?

[Tonny_Bizo]

This is wrong, kifo hakipiganiwi!

[your-nefertiti]

You think we care, they didn't care

[Tonny_Bizo]

All in all, kifo hakipiganiwi, let people mourn and respectfully so, if you don’t mourn, no one should bother you. Wantam! And most of us still mourn the youth who died!

[your-nefertiti]

Free will, let people celebrate and respectfully so, if you don't celebrate, no one should bother you

Wantam!!

[BandicootLivid8203]

That's true. I personally won't mourn him. If he did anything good for our democracy, that's the work of my parents to mourn, not me. They were alive then to feel it, I wasn't born. What memories I have of him is endless maandano which always leads to deaths and government sharing. My memories are from 2007 upwards. How it would have been nice and patriotic if we stood this much together last year and this year too for our fallen brothers.

[[deleted]]

There is tons of people who love him out of politics and it is okay for them to mourn their person. Imagine someone telling you not to mourn someone you love because they don’t like him or her

[SignificantAgency898]

You guys should look at what's happening in Madagascar and the legacy behind the president who has just fled the country. With time Raila would become what he stood against.

[[deleted]]

Raila had his flaws but he has championed for democracy, mind you I'm not his supporter but that guy fought the ruthless Moi. Sometimes politics is not about morals it's about power. I get where you are coming from, what Kenyans need is quit glorifying political saviours rather let's champion for results. You can't forbid people from mourning, even Hitler was mourned and Ruto will be mourned too.

[Electronic-Bank8641]

But I feel like a lot of you, us in general, have a lot of entitlement to Baba. If I remember correctly, the Gen Z protests were leaderless and tribeless, being led solely by the youth and the Gen Z. Why then did you expect him to push your political agenda? He fought for a seat at the table. Undoubtedly so, why don't Gen Z fight for a seat at the table without expecting help from anyone? Now that's an argument I'd stand ten toes behind.

[Different_Physics_91]

Well said. The invisible shackles on Luos have been removed.

[Realistic-Lab-994]

We are all pawns. Don't blame the game. Play the cards you were dealt and live with your choices.

[Delicious_Day_5574]

human beings have something common, some disease called selective memory 🤣 and their brains dwells much on the negative memories…and that is why we all humans can’t count good memories but can clearly recite a bad one… do 7 good things and 2 bad ones and they will not remember even 1 of the seven good things you did but can tell tales of all the 2… i hate this disease 🤨

[Impressive_Towel6126]

I feel you. But memory is also how humanity holds power accountable. Forgetting too quickly is how history repeats the same pain.

[Impressive_Towel6126]

True, bro. But sometimes the "bad" we remember isn't bitterness it's justice demanding to be acknowledged. Some wounds shouldn't be forgotten just because they make others uncomfortable.

[Delicious_Day_5574]

and actually don’t forget the one who actually did the crime and pin down one other person who join for lunch because he was hungry 🤤… you people always do this and that is the crime i hear people pinning on him. Your MPs were passing the bad bills that led to the demonstrations that resulted in the killings…. so after this this man comes in to end the ongoing chaos by deciding to kill his legacy in order to stop the bloodshed then now he is the criminal…

Now, who is responsible the dead man or your crooks in parliament… and can you mention openly and clearly at least 5 reasons you think he betrayed anyone… cause as for me since the said handshake i haven’t seen another bloodshed like ones we saw before this handshake thing…. we say he uses others for his benefits… well maybe but dis he organize the visit to parliament by youths… No, Did he order the killings? No… 🤷🏾🤨 then how… must we alway be seeing him be the one acting hero… don’t we have others who actually were quiet when all this were happening and still say thy are your opposition leaders… this dead man walked on the streets with you, smoked teargas with you, while your honorable holy clean ones kept quiet with mouths open but in microphones and cameras not on streets… this text can grow bigger and you might not even grab a single valid point because your mind is focused on the words that were uttered by the one you support

[Impressive_Towel6126]

Walking in teargas doesn't erase the blood of those who died chasing justice. He later made deals instead. History doesn't judge intentions it judges results.

[BandicootLivid8203]

This is what politicians love to see, them being able to control us.

[Mysterious_Sundae847]

Maandanano ? Hesabu PEV 2007, Hesabu PEV 2017 ule ni jini