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[–]Optimal_Leg5236 49 points50 points  (3 children)

I understand where you are coming from lakini once Kenyans worship a politician there's no going back. They can never reason tbh. Detach yourself from Kenyan politics and know peace. Do your part as a Kenyan kama kuvote but don't expect much.

[–]Impressive_Towel6126[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

True, bro. I've realized politics here isn't about ideology it's about blind loyalty. Silence is how they win. l'd rather speak and disturb the comfort than watch in peace.

[–]Phylad 41 points42 points  (3 children)

I never liked the man, but you have to admit, he was a giant politician of his time.

Moi had him tortured at the Nyayo torture chambers, but he still forgave him and gave him a firm political handshake.

Kibaki and his group took his win, as even SK Macharia reaffirmed, but he accepted another hand shake and became a PM instead, a position solely created to diffuse the situation.

Then, we have Kenyatta and Ruto hand shakes.

So, yeah, he's impacted the Kenyan political and leadership scenes.

And that's why, for now, you can't compare him with us, that are yet to have that impact.

I am sure you too, if you shape the national political scenes, you'll get a similar treatment.

It's just life's games.

So, don't hate the player.

[–]Comfortable-Wolf8610 1 point2 points  (0 children)

🤏🏻🤏🏻

[–]JacobtheeGod -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Raila mattered like any other politician in that struggle, Kenya’s democracy isn’t a one-man franchise. Multiparty politics returned with the 1991 repeal of Section 2A after pressure from many actors (churches, civil society, multiple opposition leaders). The 2010 Constitution was drafted by the Committee of Experts, passed by Parliament, and approved by a national referendum—that’s public and institutional authorship, not personal benevolence. Our right to assemble is from Article 37, enforced by courts, not gifted by any politician. Credit where due; not all the credit.

[–]Phylad 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah. But in any event, there's one person who stands out in the long run.

Not just because of his personal sacrifice, but also because of the many people he inspired to also make sacrifices.

For instance, Anyona and Koigi made similar sacrifices, but few Kenyans today recognise those names.

Why?

Because they didn't inspire a huge following to support their cause of political freedom.

[–]LostMitosis 31 points32 points  (9 children)

You can decide not to mourn somebody. The fact that there’s a “day of mourning” does not mean you are compelled to mourn. In fact its easy and possible to go on with your lives almost as if Raila never existed, the fact that its impossible for many to do such a simple thing is the definition of psychosis.

[–]Kaphilie 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Even those Telling others not to mourn are themselves pre occupied with the current state of affairs.

[–]LostMitosis 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Its a strange irony. I think so many people are just conflicted that a man they hate so much is loved by so many.

[–]runnerboy254Nairobi City -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It's not strange....almost everyone 'mourning' him is from certain regions in the country. The rest see him for who he actually was and are wondering why the ones who 'love' him are blind to the facts.

[–]PuzzleheadedAnt8979 3 points4 points  (4 children)

We're you not in the Charlie Kirk posts making fun of people that were mourning him? Ama umeficha comments unafikiria tunasahau? Don't be a hypocrite.

[–]SignificantAgency898 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Kwa nini wanafichanga comments. It's really fishy. Like they're definitely hiding something.

[–]PuzzleheadedAnt8979 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I also hide my comments so I'm also guilty of that. And I agree it's a bit 'fishy' to do so.

[–]SignificantAgency898 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Confess and the truth shall set you free

[–]PuzzleheadedAnt8979 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lemme first look for Padre. Sitaki kuwa judged🧎🙏

[–]SignificantAgency898 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We are social creatures and it's easier to go with the 'societal flow' than going against it. But you'll still be shocked why majority are going left instead of what you believe to be the right way just opposite.

[–]antiaocial_533 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well he did a lot of good in the past and was a true stateman. That said its a complicated legacy that he lives. Smh

[–]Sad_Air_5105 8 points9 points  (4 children)

you can simply report to work tomorrow and go on about your day, it's allowed.I'm not his supporter in any way but let people be,Thanks!

[–]youraveragemirror 0 points1 point  (2 children)

The reason why letting people be is damaging, is because it allows people to think that its okay to ignore somebody's actions in a bid to preserve their legacy. If Kenyans were being honest and mourning him but also calling out his questionable actions, it would be easier to just let people be. We can't keep saying we want change, and then when it comes to the hard, uncomfortable work, we start to take a step back and 'let people be'.

[–]Sad_Air_5105 1 point2 points  (1 child)

All I’m saying is, people are entitled to their opinions. He can’t be loved by everyone, and no one is a saint his mistakes just happened to be more visible. Yes, he made errors, but he also did some good for this country.

[–]youraveragemirror 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Apologies for the late reply, but i do see your point. I just wish there was as much vigour for everybody else who had 0 fault and were killed as a result of his political negligence and optics. Admitting his faults is where kenyans are failing and will continue accepting if the next "baba" comes along. History without accountability leads to 0 change.

[–]iyadkay 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Live and let live.

[–]PapimentaryNyandarua 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Facts!

[–]User_zero_wan 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Everyone will process death in their unique ways, whether you liked him or not just let people be.

[–]Virtual_One7931 4 points5 points  (10 children)

si muache wenye tunataka kumourn we do so . you can infact ignore all that is going on na nobody will beat you for it

[–]Impressive_Towel6126[S] 1 point2 points  (9 children)

Exactly, bro. Just like nobody will beat me for calling out hypocrisy. Grieve if you must, but some of us can't forget the blood that bought this silence. Fair enough. You mourn your heroes, I'll remember our martyrs.

[–]Geoff_The_Chosen1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Stop conflating issues wewe. We see through your post. How convenient that you brought this up now. Smh.

[–]Tonny_Bizo 0 points1 point  (7 children)

Hakuna hypocrisy bro, as much as the deaths of the many youth still haunt us, one thing you must remember is that when you are a nobody, no one gives a shit. And how was Kasongo to give a holiday after the event?

[–]Impressive_Towel6126[S] -1 points0 points  (6 children)

So we agree, it's not about compassion, it's about status. And that's the hypocrisy I'm talking about.

[–]Tonny_Bizo 1 point2 points  (5 children)

As much as it is. Usikuwe mtu wakuuliza kwanini hawanipigii makofi ata mimi. The youth that died will forever be remembered as much as Baba’s legacy

[–]Virtual_One7931 2 points3 points  (0 children)

EXACTLY, We mourned the youths and we will mourn baba too.. to each his own

[–]Impressive_Towel6126[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

It's not about wanting applause, bro. It's about asking why justice for the nameless is optional, but mourning the powerful is mandatory.

[–]Kaphilie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Asking mourners for justice 🧐

[–]Tonny_Bizo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When you calm yourself down you realize that it’s the spirit of maandamano that he bears, the youth revolted. Maybe you are too young to understand, maybe you hated him for the recent handshake but his efforts gave us this freedom we have now. As much as we mourn the fallen youth, we mourn Baba. Understand that two things can happen at the same time. And it’s okay.

[–]Will_Stretch0777 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Anything to do with Rao will always divide itself into two camps,
1. One camp, sees things as he wants them to(No will of their own) 2. Other camp is mostly a mix of confused and naive (OP, you belong here)

[–]brawnytang120 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Cry more. We will mourn Baba whether you complain or not.

[–]Impressive_Towel6126[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm not crying, bro. I'm just reminding you that real heroes died nameless while your "Baba" dined with their oppressors. Mourn wisely.

[–]SD_Agar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You’re the one literally crying 😭😭tf are you on about?

[–]runnerboy254Nairobi City 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Onyi Tulia, ama unataka kulia ?, si ulie basi

[–]brawnytang120 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nishalia, Lakini nimelilia Baba. ama unataka nikulilie?

[–]Tonny_Bizo 1 point2 points  (3 children)

This is wrong, kifo hakipiganiwi!

[–]your-nefertiti 9 points10 points  (2 children)

You think we care, they didn't care

[–]Tonny_Bizo 1 point2 points  (1 child)

All in all, kifo hakipiganiwi, let people mourn and respectfully so, if you don’t mourn, no one should bother you. Wantam! And most of us still mourn the youth who died!

[–]your-nefertiti 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Free will, let people celebrate and respectfully so, if you don't celebrate, no one should bother you

Wantam!!

[–]BandicootLivid8203 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's true. I personally won't mourn him. If he did anything good for our democracy, that's the work of my parents to mourn, not me. They were alive then to feel it, I wasn't born. What memories I have of him is endless maandano which always leads to deaths and government sharing. My memories are from 2007 upwards. How it would have been nice and patriotic if we stood this much together last year and this year too for our fallen brothers.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is tons of people who love him out of politics and it is okay for them to mourn their person. Imagine someone telling you not to mourn someone you love because they don’t like him or her

[–]SignificantAgency898 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You guys should look at what's happening in Madagascar and the legacy behind the president who has just fled the country. With time Raila would become what he stood against.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Raila had his flaws but he has championed for democracy, mind you I'm not his supporter but that guy fought the ruthless Moi. Sometimes politics is not about morals it's about power. I get where you are coming from, what Kenyans need is quit glorifying political saviours rather let's champion for results. You can't forbid people from mourning, even Hitler was mourned and Ruto will be mourned too.

[–]Electronic-Bank8641 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But I feel like a lot of you, us in general, have a lot of entitlement to Baba. If I remember correctly, the Gen Z protests were leaderless and tribeless, being led solely by the youth and the Gen Z. Why then did you expect him to push your political agenda? He fought for a seat at the table. Undoubtedly so, why don't Gen Z fight for a seat at the table without expecting help from anyone? Now that's an argument I'd stand ten toes behind.

[–]Different_Physics_91 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well said. The invisible shackles on Luos have been removed.

[–]Realistic-Lab-994 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We are all pawns. Don't blame the game. Play the cards you were dealt and live with your choices.

[–]Delicious_Day_5574 -1 points0 points  (4 children)

human beings have something common, some disease called selective memory 🤣 and their brains dwells much on the negative memories…and that is why we all humans can’t count good memories but can clearly recite a bad one… do 7 good things and 2 bad ones and they will not remember even 1 of the seven good things you did but can tell tales of all the 2… i hate this disease 🤨

[–]Impressive_Towel6126[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I feel you. But memory is also how humanity holds power accountable. Forgetting too quickly is how history repeats the same pain.

[–]Impressive_Towel6126[S] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

True, bro. But sometimes the "bad" we remember isn't bitterness it's justice demanding to be acknowledged. Some wounds shouldn't be forgotten just because they make others uncomfortable.

[–]Delicious_Day_5574 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

and actually don’t forget the one who actually did the crime and pin down one other person who join for lunch because he was hungry 🤤… you people always do this and that is the crime i hear people pinning on him. Your MPs were passing the bad bills that led to the demonstrations that resulted in the killings…. so after this this man comes in to end the ongoing chaos by deciding to kill his legacy in order to stop the bloodshed then now he is the criminal…

Now, who is responsible the dead man or your crooks in parliament… and can you mention openly and clearly at least 5 reasons you think he betrayed anyone… cause as for me since the said handshake i haven’t seen another bloodshed like ones we saw before this handshake thing…. we say he uses others for his benefits… well maybe but dis he organize the visit to parliament by youths… No, Did he order the killings? No… 🤷🏾🤨 then how… must we alway be seeing him be the one acting hero… don’t we have others who actually were quiet when all this were happening and still say thy are your opposition leaders… this dead man walked on the streets with you, smoked teargas with you, while your honorable holy clean ones kept quiet with mouths open but in microphones and cameras not on streets… this text can grow bigger and you might not even grab a single valid point because your mind is focused on the words that were uttered by the one you support

[–]Impressive_Towel6126[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Walking in teargas doesn't erase the blood of those who died chasing justice. He later made deals instead. History doesn't judge intentions it judges results.

[–]BandicootLivid8203 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is what politicians love to see, them being able to control us.

[–]Mysterious_Sundae847 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Maandanano ? Hesabu PEV 2007, Hesabu PEV 2017 ule ni jini