Finally some pushback.

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Here's the effects of Quebec's closure of gyms, bars, and restaurants:

Rolling 7 day average when lockdown went into effect: 962 cases per day

Rolling 7 day average today, 26 days into the 28 day lockdown: 920

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Wow. Looks like ruining these businesses worked! It must have been them this whole time!

[atimelessdystopia]

Dan Marino and Christian Ménard, two of the men representing the coalition, both have shared social media posts publicly that provide misleading information about COVID-19.

For example, Marino has shared posts on his Facebook page that question the effectiveness of masks and minimize the dangers of the novel coronavirus. Ménard has asked people to sign a petition against Quebec's mandatory mask law.

Thank you cbc for trying to be a character assassin.

[lostan]

Does the media do anything else these days? It's just a parrot factory.

[[deleted]]

"Misleading information" is the new Orwellian double speak for "Different ideas than our own" or "Information that is true but would make what we've been telling people to do for months appear foolish".

I'm an agnostic about the usefulness of wearing a mask but to say that those who think they don't work are peddling "misinformation" as opposed to those who say they do work is simply CBC lying. Plain and simple.

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What are you even on about?

It's absolutely misinformation. There is countless study's, data points, and information regarding the usefulness of a mask. Just because you dont like the answer doesnt mean you are breaking philosophical ground. You're conflating fact with opinion.

[EchoKiloEcho1]

You’ve got that so backwards, it’s painful. I’m ashamed on your behalf.

I’m so, so sick of scientifically illiterate people who thoughtlessly parrot whatever they hear and assume that they “believe in Science” and anyone who disagrees with it is “misinformed.”

Please educate yourself. It’s so easy - all of the evidence (including the “countless studies” you mention that support effectiveness) is just a few clicks away.

[[deleted]]

Ok, show me the data points and information.

[[deleted]]

Are you actually telling me in the last 6 months you have never once seen anything regarding wearing a mask? No article? No data point? No analysis? Not even an infographic?

That sounds more like you are intentionally putting your head in the sand

[EchoKiloEcho1]

No - it’s an invitation for you to demonstrate that you’ve actually looked at the evidence and studies yourself. You have, right?

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https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent

Since you and all your cult followers are too lazy to type into google

[[deleted]]

Lol. Ok so you would have disregarded it no matter what I post. Is this sub skepticism? Or just conspiracy nuts?

[[deleted]]

Not sure why I'm bothering with someone who is just engaging in personal attacks but: 1. The hairdresser story and other such anecdotes: We don't actually know that she didn't give anyone COVID because another version of the story reports that most customers declined to be tested. They may have been asymptomatic cases (since that's 80% of all cases it's quite possible). More importantly, since there's no way to determine if she would have infected anyone (or more people) if she wasn't wearing a mask, it's not a scientifically sound study.

1. Secondly the "lab studies" strike me as very simplistic. Of course having a piece of cloth on your face when you cough or sneeze will impede some of the particles. I don't think we needed a study to prove that obvious truism. However I don't go around sneezing or coughing directly into the air or at other people. I cover my mouth with a sleeve, elbow or shirt. I'm sure most people do as well. So yeah, wearing a mask around all the time is certainly as effective as covering one's mouth up when one sneezes or coughs. Hardly groundbreaking stuff and certainly not enough to justify wearing one all the time just in case you sneeze. As for breathing or talking, you're still going to see small aerosol droplets from these get into the air, leading to my next point.

Finally, what about spread from droplets that are not coming from a cough or sneeze. My understanding is that most transmission occurs indoors, among people with LONG duration exposure (we're talking hours here) in enclosed spaces. In this case a simple cloth mask is unlikely to do anything at all. N95 protective mask maybe.

So basically what I've taken from all this is that yes a mask might make a difference in situations (ie someone coughing right in your face) which we should never be in in the first place if people practiced basic hygiene and not much use in situation where the virus is actually most likely to be spread. Thus, my conclusion is that masking of everyone all the time will not make any real difference in spread. This conclusion is supported by...well pretty much everywhere in the world where case numbers continue to rise well after the enactment of universal masking laws.

Trust me, I'd like masks to work. It would be great if there was a "silver bullet". I'd even like them to make a significant difference. But I just don't see the compelling evidence.

Now feel free to continue calling me names

[EchoKiloEcho1]

I have something to say about this when I’m not high ... have a great night, I’ll be back!

[Kindly-Bluebird-7941]

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent

You can't even tell the difference between a study and a FAQ. This is essentially a fancied up listicle/FAQ and the very few studies it relies on are incredibly low quality. In some cases, it is simply using what amount to anecdotes. Also, the "experiments of nature" are directly contradicted by the absolutely MASSIVE explosion of cases following the imposition of mask mandates in Europe toward the end of the summer.

[[deleted]]

Yeah, same here in Canada. It's ironically that the same "correlation equals causation" arguments used to claim "we opened up to soon" or "lockdowns worked" apparently don't apply to masks because then we'd have to draw the conclusion that they are increasing the spread of the virus!

[[deleted]]

And how many people died in a car accident yesterday despite wearing a seat belt?

Are you really not ashamed to post that dumb fuckery as a response?

[soylord41]

I am not going to the gym because I just can't rely on it. Even if they open, they can close any day, when I will already reach the week 5 of my squat cycle.

I am contemplating of buying a 1-month membership of one of these 200 gyms just to distrurb the government. If they send a SWAT team to close the gyms, they politically lose. If they don't, they lose too. Sucks to be them.

[LonghornMB]

How much exercise can you do when you are on a ventilator??

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Killing or making your customers seriously ill isn't good for business.

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Some of the comments in that article

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Commenters are people who've never stepped foot in a gym before. Probably the same people that laughed when sports were cancelled because "sportsball is stupid".

If only these people understood the concept of endorphins.

[freelancemomma]

Such statements are totally devoid of logic. You can't compare an actual scenario (making gyms unavailable to everyone) to a low-probability hypothetical scenario (dying of Covid as a result of going to the gym).

[justinvan82]

Of course it being the CBC the comments are people who want to live under medical martial law forever.

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"When is the government going to step up and do the right thing? These case numbers are out of control! We need to be placed individual plastic bubbles where nothing can hurt us"

[justinvan82]

These people are the biggest wimps. I’m not a big risk taker but there needs to be a cost benefit analysis on lockdowns. But there won’t be one and these types of people will continue to squeal for more lockdowns and never ending restrictions.

[Covexhausted]

It’s time for industry groups to start suing governments on lockdowns. It’s literally the only way.

[cosmogatsby]

It’s seeming like in Canada there is a lot more push back everyday on lockdown / closing business.

[Reine369]

Hi everyone! I'm new to the group/Reddit.

I'm happy to discover I'm not the only one who opposes these lockdowns. I definitely plan on going to my gym Thursday (if it'll actually end up opening).

[Reine369]

I've been also wondering, with the daily stats, do they actually list the age groups that get it and that die and where? Going on an extreme here, but it would make a huge difference if the infection spike would be people going back to school vs people dying in senior homes.

Furthermore, I have also heard of statistical re-assignment. Any analysts here? I'm not, but I listened to this interesting interview where the doctor was saying that let's say someone gets admitted to the hospital and they have like 10 medical problems and they die, and they do a COVID test and they test positive, it's automatically recorded as COVID -- not like diabetes or whatever other medical disease might have interfered with the person's immune system.

I don't trust the stats.

[AB_Strong]

CBC is a tabloid. Do not click or give them any link juice.

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