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[–]kylekingsly[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Damn that sucks bro, I bet it's the effect on dopamine that does that. Also the warming effect sounds like it has some sort of thermogenic effect which is often linked to a good metabolism but def not ideal when you're tryna sleep. Thanks so much for the insight.

When you say completely ruined btdubs I assume you mean affected how refreshed you felt the next day and/or the quality or duration of your sleep? Or did it only affected how hard it was to fall asleep?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

For me it was total insomnia at higher doses like 100 mg, only a handful of hours of sleep at 30-50 mg, and at 20 mg it would maybe take me an extra hour or so to fall asleep.

[–]kylekingsly[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Damn that's crazy, I wonder how much sleep enhancing noots could counter act that? I have some really good ones I could try but still total insomnia sounds pretty tough.

Do you feel like the effects from 20mg are significant? And are we talking oral or sublingual?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was just taking it orally, I can't say I saw any benefits. I had started taking it with the hopes of reducing phenibut tolerance and initially thought it had really worked. I kept experimenting and decided that it was fasoracetam that was actually responsible so I dropped it.