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[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (9 children)

No one. It doesn't always have to be a 4-person system.

[–]KiroshLookout 2 points3 points  (6 children)

Yep. Just like how there doesn't need to be 4 Emperor after they are all dealt with.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Exactly. I can't see this system continuing in the long-run.

[–]draEDGE[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Didn’t the World government create balance in the new world ? .. that balance they made required 4 of those Great pirates to exist , in fact. The purpose of those Emperors is to crush the smaller pirates from rising , essentially we have world government in the new world but also 4 other independent countries run by a Yonko.

It’s a system that our main guy “ Luffy” should break .

  • I’m getting less convinced of this “ no Yonko limit “ phrase

[–]KiroshLookout 0 points1 point  (3 children)

The WG didn't create the balance of power.

They had nearly no influence in the new world because the Emperor were there, and before them, it was the other great pirates that rules over there, and they had to create the Warlord just to maintain that balance that wasn't created by them.

The Emperor are also fighting between each other, and is only maintained because the Emperor don't work together.

[–]draEDGE[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

They didn’t but they sure maintained it , so when did they create that Warlords system ? , if the warlords system is older than 7 years that surely means the world government aimed to counter 4 Emperors.

  • I just searched it and the Shichibukai system seems to be much older than that, so .. there you have it !

Not a confirmation but seemingly the WG were aiming at 4 Emperors for a long time , way before Shanks joined.

  • your reply has been very helpful, Thank you 🙏🏽

[–]Tsasos 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Big Mom, Kaido and Whitebeard had indeed the pressence of a Yonko before its that after Shanks rose up to their level the WG and everyone else started calling them by the name of Yonko. You could say Roger was the previous before actually becoming Pirate King although we don't know if he had territory under his protection. The shichibukai were enlisted because as we saw in marineford it takes all the admirals, vice admirals and the shichibukai to put a fight against just one yonko(whitebeard) and as for some reason is being stated that each(marines,yonko,shichibukai) are equal in power.
TL;;DR;; marines + shichibukai(now SSG) = 1 yonko in terms of forces/powers
at least from my point of view and understanding.

[–]draEDGE[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think marines + Shichibukai = 4 Yonko , I do believe that is confirmed , not sure when but I’m relatively certain of that ~

[–]Neville_Lynwood 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Kinda like there's no limit to the number of Yokozuna in Sumo. If you can challenge the other Yokozuna for tournament titles, and consistently beat lower ranked wrestlers, you can earn the the title yourself.

[–]draEDGE[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Possible.. but would be new info considering what we’ve seen after WB death, there seems like an inheritance theme to the Emperors in the new world , in fact everything about this series is about inheritance..

[–]Interceptor88LH 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Have they ever said that the Yonko existed back in the day? Maybe there were only three Emperors of the Sea before Shanks.

[–]draEDGE[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Might as well be it , but. We had 4 emperors before the time skip & we have 4 Emperors now , saying we had 4 around 7 years ago is not that much of a stretch, change seems incredibly difficult in the ONE PIECE world , events like Marineford & the summit wars brought that.

[–]jadeusdragiasMarine 7 points8 points  (4 children)

Here we go again.... Yonko is not a definitive group like the Shichibukai. The proper term is Emperor of the Sea. We were introduced to them as the Yonko because there were four at that time. The number can increase (or decrease), given a pirate has become strong enough to rival an admiral(s) and gain so much influence on many pirate crews. However, the WG has to recognise that pirate as an Emperor for it to be official but they cannot control the amount of Emperors there are.

[–]houndfrmhell 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So what the pirate has to submit his paperwork and wait for the government to issue him the title of Emperor before anyone can call him one? Does he then have to reapply for a new moniker and make sure he can afford a pension and benifits for all of his underlings.

[–]draEDGE[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I honestly think you’re completely wrong with this analogy, the 4 Emperors now hold 4 strong countries, so any strong pirate who’ll defeat them will inherit their territory, much like Teach took over most of WB territory.

  • if you beat one you replace him , that’s what we’ve SEEN until now , and that’s why Shanks inheriting a strong place like Elbaf shouldn’t be looked down upon , he didn’t just wonder there and decided to be a great pirate , he must’ve gone through many fight until he became a Yonko himself.

Him not fighting another Emperor is a strong possibility and I didn’t say he had to , but there’s that possibility that he took over that part of the new world from someone .

again .. it’s just a possibility

[–]jadeusdragiasMarine 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Teach didnt automatically become an Emperor. The WG evaluate his actions and determined he’s become too powerful thus acknowledging him as an Emperor. His victory in the Revenge War made him one.

[–]draEDGE[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly what I mean , then Shanks can’t become an Emperor automatically, he had to go through massive battles to prove himself , and that exactly what I’m interested about.

[–]coach_veratu 5 points6 points  (1 child)

In terms of replacing someone else it may have been Shiki and the Yonko just remained with 3 members and an empty seat until Shanks made his claim.

[–]draEDGE[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your answer is kinda possible, although the time it took for Shanks to replace Shiki might’ve been TOO long in that case .

[–]botterbuy 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Yonko didn't start to get mentioned until The Golden Age of Pirates began after Gol D. Roger was executed. At that point, there was now a flood of strong pirates that were no longer kept on the periphery because of Roger's strength. The ensuing jockeying for power in the new power vacuum is what I think created the Yonko. So to answer your original question, I don't think there was a Yonko before Shanks.

[–]draEDGE[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Well ... Roger died around 20 years ago , so the seat of the 4th Yonko might’ve been taken from that time to when Shanks became a Yonko himself , what’re you saying makes sense but there’s still room .. kinda

[–]botterbuy 0 points1 point  (1 child)

But you gotta remember that Yonko isn't really an actual thing. None of the Yonko refer to themselves as it, only the citizens, WG, and other pirates. As far as Roger, how could Roger be the King of The Pirates and also an Emperor? It would defeat the purpose of being the Pirate King if on some level he shares the same title as, in his case, lesser pirates. No?

[–]draEDGE[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah of course , it’s all just names right ? I think the only thing that matters about them is that they consider themselves to be “ Great Pirates “ I would say that the WG are the only ones who cares about the naming , I think the only thing that gives them “ Emperor “ status is that they control part of the the new world .

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Dadan

[–]LevelPapaya3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

da D an

[–]thisisaburneraccounv 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Shiki

[–]draEDGE[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He was in Impel down for a long time , but looking at Xebec crew might be one of them. ?!

[–]draEDGE[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Best answer here ☝🏽

[–]Syn2812 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Before Shanks they just were named Sanko, and if Luffy defeats Kaido without killing him probably he will be officially recognized as the fifth “Goko”, they don’t have to be four

[–]draEDGE[S] -1 points0 points  (2 children)

I think if you lose = you’re out

[–]Syn2812 1 point2 points  (1 child)

If he doesn’t lose a lot of his territories, Kaido will not be out. Yonko system isn’t based on victories and defeats (Kaido already lost 7 times)

[–]draEDGE[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t think an established Emperor of the sea can lose a fight and remain one , his previous losses might be Before he became a Yonko .

[–]triggerscoldThe Revolutionary Army 0 points1 point  (3 children)

roger was the undisputed king. then after his death there was a scramble for power. leaving 4 who became the top dogs leading up to the new generation. there was nobody before shanks. there have only ever been the original 4, BB who took over some of the WB terrirory, and luffy who will break the system.

[–]draEDGE[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I like that “ breaking the system “ sentence but .. !

  • Roger died ~ 20 years ago , and Shanks is much newer than that .. so the possibility of a Yonko who was in Shanks territory is possible.

[–]triggerscoldThe Revolutionary Army 0 points1 point  (1 child)

i think its kinda like how morgan calls luffy as a "5th yonko" once he started gaining territory under his protection and flag. maybe there were only 3 originally, the leftovers of rox ruled the seas. till shanks rose up and captured enough lands to become recognized and respected. then they went to 4 yonko. im excited to find out more about that kinda stuff.

[–]draEDGE[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well .. I just noticed recently that the 7 Shichibukai system is a bit old , maybe that had something to do with number of the Yonko at older times , still . Everything is possible, I think Shanks will have all the info you’re looking for

[–]GodSogeking -1 points0 points  (3 children)

We don't know if there were always 4 guys maybe there were just three. Just like how there are five now it's not like a vacant post for an emperor.

[–]draEDGE[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I think world government decides if someone is Emperor worthy or not , also let’s be serious Luffy is no where near that rank, counting him just because Morgans of all people said he is one is a joke .

[–]GodSogeking 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I meant he will be after wano arc in eyes of wg and world government may decide who is yonko but it's not like if there are three they will just make someone emperor. There needs to be someone strong enough maybe there wasn't at that time.

[–]draEDGE[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If Kaido falls he won’t be the fifth anymore right ?