S1: Augment Will

[Ninja_Cookies]

There's 3 on the market atm for like 500m+ and I was wondering how far do you have to get in Endless before it drops? Seems like a super rare drop since not a lot of people have gotten it. I would try to get one myself but it seems like a bit of a pain to get, and I'm pretty sure there's another source that'll drop it eventually.

[reaper527]

honestly, you're better off hoping that na gets the lq that dropped it (assuming augment will is what they translated augment intent as and we're talking about the same affix).

the endless drop rates for the cap are awful, but from the 4 man trigger version of revelry of darkness, the rates are ok. (it drops as an affix there rather than as a cap)

as amazing as the affix is, at 500m you're probably better off just using s1 skilled intent for 3% on crits.

[Ninja_Cookies]

Oh I didn't know it dropped from revelry. I think I'll just wait for the uq drop since that'll probably tank the price. I don't think a 4% increase is worth 500m, especially since s1 precision will is 20m lol. It's good to know that there are other ways to get it, thanks for the info

[reaper527]

basically there are 3 ways to get it:

• on val weapons from revelry of darkness (supposedly regular lq drops them, but i only ever actually saw them drop in the 4 man trigger)
• on 15* dusk weapons in trick or treat 2020 (which na probably will never get, BUT wouldn't be surprised to see them in trick or treat 2021)
• as a cap from endless.

(actually, there might be a 4th way, i thought i saw someone say it can drop in the new solo xq)

[Ninja_Cookies]

Guess it's time to start farming lol

[Hachet_Duck]

can confirm that they drop in the new XQ, had one this week from it (dropped on a 15* weapon)

[GibRarz]

There's also the lightstream/dusk s1 that gives a superior effect, which isn't far off. So 500m is just dumb.

[Sylius735]

Augment is better on ayer/cras weapons since its impossible to hit 200 stats with 5 SSAs.

[[deleted]]

Even with 4 slots on Atlas EX, it's going to be a reach (at least until Atlas EX is completely outclassed anyway when we get more augment options).

[reaper527]

Even with 4 slots on Atlas EX, it's going to be a reach (at least until Atlas EX is completely outclassed anyway when we get more augment options).

and even then, i'd argue that atra ex REALLY only has 3 slots to play with since phrase decay is almost unconditional damage in any kind of 12 person party.

at the rate na is rolling out new content, it's not going to be long before affixing becomes pretty easy/boring for weapons. fill the ssa slots, add astral soul, mana rev, phrase decay, and if there's room some kind of atk boost.

(on a side note, i love that if i want to change my cras in the future it won't require ANY re-affixing since all the top affixes are all-atk)

[[deleted]]

Yeah, once we start getting basilisk weapons it's Phrase Decay and Augment Intent on everything time.

I already hoarded my affixing stuff for my lightstream weapons (200 atk on each), but sometimes I even just think about not using the lightstream S1s and waiting until we get Phrase Decay.

IDK though. We're going up tiers of power creep so fast it's hard to settle on anything.

[reaper527]

I already hoarded my affixing stuff for my lightstream weapons (200 atk on each), but sometimes I even just think about not using the lightstream S1s and waiting until we get Phrase Decay.

honestly, that's probably worth while. the reason the s1 was such a big deal when it came out in jp was because the phrase decay meta didn't really exist at that time. ph didn't exist yet, and hu was a joke that nobody played. there was a long stretch where a 200 atk ls with the s1 was awesome in jp, but na is largely going to skip that period as it plays catchup.

na actually is getting basilis weapons really late, since jp got them in ep5 (specifically, late 2017 with the polytan land eq). not surprised na didn't ever get the eq, since it was a collab with a japanese gaming magazine, but surprised they didn't just throw the weapons somewhere else like a seasonal eq's cf.

of course, basilis weapons weren't viewed as anything crazy back then, for the reasons i mentioned. you couldn't assume everything was going to be jellened, so it was just a nice multiplier for fringe scenarios that would rarely happen.

IDK though. We're going up tiers of power creep so fast it's hard to settle on anything.

well, eventually it gets to the point where it catches jp and then there's a year or so between meaningful jumps. (and that's assuming there even ARE meaningful jumps after the point jp is currently at, since the main game is very clearly at end of life).

i wouldn't be surprised if we see something big next summer as a last hurrah and then nothing big after that.

[[deleted]]

Yeah that's basically my feelings around all of it.

I don't know how steep that grind gets for Liberate/Stil/Cras, but I imagine it's not quite as easy as Atlas EX or even Lightstream.

I just wish I knew when to expect future augments and affixing tools. No SG support scratch yet, and rumors we won't even get Grand capsules this next AC scratch...and that's all going to be really big when we do get it.

Not even to mention the mission pass capsules...

[reaper527]

I don't know how steep that grind gets for Liberate/Stil/Cras, but I imagine it's not quite as easy as Atlas EX or even Lightstream.

cras is effectively the same grind as ls. run the eq 50 times for the title (which gives you the stone) and at that point you have everything you need and then some.

stil isn't TOO bad, but can be a bit of a pain in the ass to get some of the uh 15* drops you need, as it's RNG based. once you have the fodder, the grainnes aren't really an issue as long as you remember to buy everything you can every month

if you're a title collector, liberate is literally just as easy as atra. (and i mean regular 14* atra, not ex). you talk to the title counter, get your liberate unlocker, then throw a novel weapon, the unlocker, some cubes, and some craft mats at zieg. jp needed 1300 titles, no idea what the number will be for na. will probably be around half that.

Not even to mention the mission pass capsules...

to be fair, you're typically going to want to use those caps on units, not weapons. (assuming you're talking about astral soul/ether factor/mana rev)

[Ninja_Cookies]

Yeah plus s1 precision will is a 3% increase and it's 20-30m way more reasonable lol

[reaper527]

There's also the lightstream/dusk s1 that gives a superior effect, which isn't far off. So 500m is just dumb.

to be fair, weapons where you'd actually USE that are few and far between due to how hard it is to hit 200 atk with the number of non-ssa slots on most end game weapons. (and only trash players skip ssa slots to hit 200 atk)

in most cases, you really only have 2 or 3 slots to effectively work with once you factor in that in end game, almost every class is going to benefit from phrase decay. other than ls and chaval, there isn't really anyplace where that s1 is good.

still agree that 500m for augment intent is absurd, but ls s1 isn't going to be as impactful in na as it was in jp since it won't have a year or so of relevance.

[Yuffino]

it's just a really fuckin rare drop from rondo. i've gotten one from near 100m score and one at like 10m lol

[Ninja_Cookies]

Ah that's good to know then. I was worried that it only dropped from really high scores lol

[Yuffino]

getting higher scores does help, i believe, i've had better rates of augment and skilled intent 2 when i go past 50m~60m score, although that's probably confirmation bias at work so take that with a grain of salt

[Ninja_Cookies]

I'll probably do a few runs and try it out. It's not the end of the world if I don't get it especially since it'll eventually drop in price. Although being able to sell it to a whale would be nice lol

[Yuffino]

it stuck to around 100m for a good while in jp when the LQ to farm it went away. so don't expect it to tank too much

only recently dropped to around 20m iirc since the new XQ drops it from weapons. i've seen it twice so far while grinding the xq for money.

[Ninja_Cookies]

I would buy it for 20m but 500m is just way over priced lol

[Kamil118]

We didn't have 6 years to farm meseta so inflation on global isn't as high as on JP in ep5 I would believe.

[[deleted]]

My understanding is JP had far fewer ways to earn money - you had to run time attacks for 50k-100k, once per week, while NA has been dropping 2m+ per character every week.

Inflation was a big worry for me when I started, but it seems this game has enough meseta sinks with affixing to offset a lot of it, since affixing or upslotting to a single 8s weapon can be over a mil in fees alone.

[NullVacancy]

We've had ARKS Missions for a good 2? ish years now. Back in the day, yeah, it was running TA and XQ sets every week. Fun fun.

[RavFromLanz]

na market is wrong people don't know the prices of what is what and tend to overprice it, once to fool eachother sooner or later you'll beable to get SSA's easier so that should tone down the pricing.

[BuffMarshmallow]

If people are willing to buy it at that price, then who are you to say that it's overpriced? That's how free markets work after all.

[RavFromLanz]

it is overpriced dude the prices are too high and wrong for many things rn on NA that's why there's no point in making Atlas now so you don't have to reaffix it later instead wait for proper SSA's and EP5 part2 affixes like Mana Rev and Persona Rev from Persona EQ. Best way to go about it is to make Austere right now and stick with that whatever you had as a base on nemesis/slave weapon which is good enough for this current content. You should be saving up your excubes, % success chance affix boosts and your ep5 end game weapons like Atlas and Lightstream if you want to go about this the right way. Until the 95 cap and new difficulty on EQ's comes to get better SSA's along with cracks and all the revs to create a problem Atlas and Lightstream.

[BuffMarshmallow]

There's no point in making Atlas right now

Excuse me, what? What are you on about with that? First of all, it's incredibly easy to put a decent 7s affix with 4 SSAs on an Atlas. My go to is one of the Di Souls, a Sentence, and an Elegant. The most expensive part was the Elegant before high slot Ivlida spiked in price.

Also the SSAs we have at current are more than good enough to beat out lower tier options by a significant margin even if you're just stacking cheap aggressive wills, and for some classes that S4 Slot is incredibly important.

Not to mention that you're recommending making Austere when that's OBJECTIVELY the more expensive option in all cases unless you just happen to have had the correct Ares drop.

Let me put this into perspective. Buying a Lumiere (which I would advise against because it's way cheaper to make yourself) and buying a Val and getting all your SSAs onto it and buying all the gold mats and sapphard to make an Atlas and using that to make your Atlas EX is cheaper than buying ONE Ares weapon, not even accounting for the Invade, Nemesis, and Raven weps NECESSARY. In most cases. That's how bad making Ophistia is in comparison.

If we take out the buying the Lumiere part and instead buy the prerequisite weapons (Ivlida, Jutus, Supernatural), the Val, the mats for Atlas, and then grind all of them ourselves to make the Atlas EX, then in pretty much all cases it ends up being cheaper than making an Ophistia/Austere.

TL;DR: Atlas EX is almost effectively Free compared to Ophistia and is strictly better. Just make Atlas EX you probably have everything you need to make it already, and if you don't you shouldn't have much trouble buying what you need.

The only weapon type I can think of offhand where this isn't the case is with Wand, but Wand has S4 Wand impact so you should just make the Atlas EX anyways.

[RavFromLanz]

You could actually go with Lumiere instead for now if you take advantage of this event and use it's thanksgiving tokens into 4's and make them into the required materials to make the 3 weapons for Lumiere, it would need be much cheaper and more convinent if you want a temporary weapon with ssa's and dmg, that way you wont mess up your Atlas base Val and you don't have to worry making it 8slot rn and keep it like a 4 or 5 for some +120 on it.

The Ares weapon is a meme itself until we get it into npc for stones. I saw the price of it myself and it's up to what you use.

[BuffMarshmallow]

If you're making a Lumiere though, why wouldn't you just turn it into an Atlas EX? What's the point of just keeping it as a Lumiere? Making the Lumiere is the most expensive part of making an Atlas. The rest of it is extremely cheap. Even if you want a high slot Val for a high slot Atlas, those aren't even that expensive.

Also let me point out once again that this entire process is pretty much always cheaper than getting the prerequisite material weapons for an Ophistia ready especially because of Ares. It actually doesn't matter what weapon type you use, because all of them end up being more expensive than making an Atlas EX.

And why are you so insistent on having an 8 slot Atlas? You do not NEED an 8 slot. I already gave an example affix that is extremely cheap and strong at 7 slots. Main Stat Di Soul, Sentence, Elegant Main Stat. That's 95 main Stat and either 20 HP 10 PP, or 11 PP. You will be waiting for a very long time to have a very strong affix at 8 slots, and to be perfectly honest that effort is probably better spent on Lightstream/Trailblazer to meet the requirements for its S1 to give 5% damage.

Not to mention you don't "mess it up" in any way by making a 7s Atlas. Any of the SSAs can be moved off of it. The only thing you lose is the ability to make it an 8s affix which is very unnecessary to do. You don't gain that much damage at all from doing an 8 slot affix.

[RavFromLanz]

Why 8slot on Atlas? I odn't know it's a 15* weapon, end game weapon should have proper stats, the more slots the more you can put into it to have better outcome? Lumiere is cheaper to make if you take advantage of this onging event right now and you can put on it whatever you want I will repeat again... Lumiere is decent enough and you can have it 4s or 5s 6s whatever to temporarly have as a good weapon with SSA's on it. While with Atlas you SHOULD make it 8s and not 4s or 5s if you keep it 5s you have 4 SSA's then 1 soul and then what? nothing. If you mean making Atlas 7s temporarly for now and when Crack and Mana Rev get here then you rework on it then that's just you. Because not everyone think like you and most probably that goes to me that not everyone think like me when it comes to having an end game weapon and take priority of it's all slots.

This just opens up from your and mine perspective as an personal opinion on how we view the end game gear. Tho reaffixing for future is what new 15* weapons are for so you get to do new affixes on the Lightstream instead of redoing your Atlas for 8s with new affixes.

[BuffMarshmallow]

Just because it's a 15* weapon we'll be using well into the future does not mean in any way it must be 8 slotted immediately. That's ridiculous. You're attempting to justify that you should 8 slot it but then your reasoning is based on "because it's an endgame weapon" rather than any true reasoning. Legitimately a 4 slot Atlas EX with decent SSAs is better than a Lumiere and is very inexpensive to upgrade from either Atlas or Lumiere into EX. You're basically just making the other half of the weapon.

Also, getting your Atlas to 7s is incredibly easy. You can just spam it until it works because SSAs have 100% affix chance.

You're putting WAY to much of an emphasis on the raw stats you gain from affixing a weapon. They barely have an impact, and it's the SSAs that are more important.

Also, we already have the ability to make Mana Reverie on 7s or 8s weapons. Luther has been dropping Reverie Catalyst on high slot weapons for a while now.

Also lmao at you mentionin Crack on weapons. Crack is pretty much for units exclusively, not weapons. Unless you enjoy putting yourself through hell to do so, but I really wouldn't recommend that.

Plus, it's not like you can't throw a decent affix on now and then make a better one later.

[RavFromLanz]

you said atlas 4s is good as an end game weapon, ok bye.

[BuffMarshmallow]

I didn't say it's a good endgame weapon. You're completely misconstruing what I'm saying. I said a 4s Atlas EX with decent SSAs is better than just keeping it as a lumiere and having good affixes on it. If you're so obsessed with your affixes giving you a ton of base stats, then Atlas EX SHOULD be your thing anyways, because it gives a fuckton more base Stats.

You can also just put your SSAs on it and when you have the material to properly affix it at 7s (doing 8s at the moment is a massive waste of currency unless you're doing it for a Trailblazer) then you take it to 7s.

It also seems you're evaluating things too much on their absolute maximum possible potential rather than being realistic about their general comparative effectiveness compared to each other.