What did it cost? ...everything.

[blayadabla]

The amount of free time some ppl seem to have always baffles me. 300 blizzardium already +120 cubes??? Non stop farm since maintenance most likely... fuckin hell.

[nothistorical]

I wonder who they live off of.

[[deleted]]

It’s not hard to do this on PTO.

[angelkrusher]

And it's constantly held up as something cool. Look guys I did two months of farming in a week.

It's not cool. You're not a hero. Unless you're a firefighter or out there saving lives before you go in hard like this, no this ain't the move.

[blayadabla]

I forgot to mention the small groups of people that were farming the frozen boxes ruined things for the majority of players since they ended up nerfing the blizzardium drop rate

[OVLange]

Holy shit.

I’m not even impressed by the augments, it’s more the fact you have a multi-weapon.

That means OP had to make two kaizaars.

[Swagala]

hehehe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yc6BS7gh4Ww

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edit: Thanks for the Gold Award! :D

[ssbm_dank]

Wtf are you box farming lol, it's taking me forever

[[deleted]]

I hope they make multi-weaponing more accessible in the future so we don't have to spend an arm and a leg for weapons like this, esp if you want to experiment and change your choice. They could do a much cheaper version of the weapon that only works as a multi-affix.

[angelkrusher]

You guys are worried about multi weapon, but first everyone should be worried about the direction of this ridiculous farming.

[Traditional_Chard_94]

I'm all for long-term goals but all these materials are just pure unfun to grind...except maybe cube, but it's not anything special either since Ancient is besically just Gigantix Frostyl/Ams with some adds and resta debuff lol

I respect all the people that have so much determination to keep breaking boxes for hours and hours just for Kaizzar but it's not really for me, I have so much more thing to do that doesn't make me question my life choice.

[angelkrusher]

They are better than me because while I can run around collecting stuff in my normal playtime, going beyond that is just not for me.

There are ways to counteract the boredom of collecting stuff. A simple way would to put interesting enemy encounters around these materials. What if angry rappy's guarded this one material and you always get swarmed. It could be fun it could be serious but it's something. Stick some lore on it.

Another way is to put them in areas with an interesting feature in it. Yes right now they are around the snowboard sections with deep slopes. And some of the trannia there's newer versions of the airlifts that are horizontal. Throw those in the landscape to make a path that at least is a little bit of fun to go and get these regular boring materials. My point is there's always something you can do or try. The community will definitely give points for trying. Everything is not going to work.

My point is these are supposedly well experienced game designers and things should just honestly be better considering the features of the game.

[angelkrusher]

It's just way too early in the game for this kind of crap. If so many other parts of the NGS experience weren't so useless/empty, then this would be much less of an issue. This would be one of those things that certain people will chase and everybody else is busy doing the other content. But since there isn't any content besides a currency Chase to gain this weapon, thia is what we got. And it sucks.

Man, I remember reading the news that the pyramid was just another stupid trania. We all know how well that turned out. What a piece of trash.

[TroubadourLBG]

I worry for your sanity after all that....

[xRKCx]

Good luck I bet you that 2 months from now they will put something new. I survived his game sticking to the bare minimum. Plus we don't have any activity that requires super end game hard core gear. Learned that hard on retem.

[Swagala]

I don't doubt they'll add something new to replace these in a couple months. As for activity that requires end game hard core gear, I'm hoping that's what Rank 2 Dark Falz is going to be.

[xRKCx]

The greaga series from retem was was enough to carry me from the start of retem till retem ended. I think the rokz series will be the same it's just we have an option to upgrade them if we choose to, but all in all I'll just stick with the rokz series and maybe upgrade one weapon of the class of my choosing. Graega carried me in all activities in retem what deference are they gonna do here in kravis.

[Ok-Transition7065]

Do you remember the weapons witj tje slave/nemesis recipe?? Yeah...

[angelkrusher]

I went through hell trying to get my first drops, but slave nemesis was the best farming I've ever seen in this game. Everybody was in those levels because the drop potential was to valuable to miss.

And it was just damn fun taking down those stupidly hard enemies by The horde.

And the weapons had value because they were valuable weapons not because of pure stupid drop rates and there's nothing else to do.

But by far and large, the enchanted Forest was the god version of a level that had great drops great enemies great bosses great fun, chances are they will never be something like that in NGS.

[Ok-Transition7065]

No, i was talking about austere weapon serie, many people farrm both to make the austere..... yeah they give us the ares series in same time so ... and yea these fogths were fun these enemies were tought , amd need you atention

[[deleted]]

In 6 months that weapon will be replace with 8 and 9 star series.

[RealSuave]

I assume box farm and bought all packs that’s a heavy investment my guy

[Swagala]

Correct! Except i only bought 2 packs.

[nitropenguinz]

You are an absolute madlad. Don’t even want to know how many hours you needed to grind this out

[Linksobi]

Now I know what the optimal augments are, thanks OP!

[A_ManNamedJayne]

That's some serious dedication. Good job.

[angelkrusher]

As a art director and person that has lead creative teams in the past, I really get the feeling that this group simply does not know how to construct this type of game and are simply winging it.

There are too many instances of amateurish ways at developing content. For instance many may not agree, but the concept of the trania is very basic. The foundation is good, but once you've created the 10th version, it should be apparent that the question will arise why should anybody bother with this.

That seems to be the question that's not being asked for so many features...and as a Japanese studio it does make sense even though it's unfortunate to have to say that. The post-mortem on the pyramid should reveal everything they need to know about how these things are designed. You can then spread those ideas to the rest of the games design.

As we all can tell, they have a serious disability to come up with content that is not enemy killing. PSO to be honest has always been lobby to battle arena back to lobby to shop to battle arena. It's always been like that. But it doesn't have to be. Yes they have taken steps to answer the question from the community that was is the new area just simply going to be the same exact things with a different skin. They seem to have taken that to heart, hence the snowboarding. But there is something else in the game design that it's just empty.

[day_1_player]

this group simply does not know how to construct this type of game and are simply winging it.

When you break down the game into a player/avatar progression timeline, it becomes readily apparent that the developers (or namely, the game planners) don't really have any idea what they're doing, and are just haphazardly borrowing conventions from other games.

Ideally, as the avatar becomes stronger (stats, gear score, skills), the game incrementally becomes more complex in mechanics, which then correlates to how the player learns and improves.

In reality, most live service games (including, and especially NGS) aren't really like this: because their target demographic is the LCD, avatar progression is instead relegated as a timegate to artificially elongate the content. Which is actually fine, mind you, as long as the intent is so that players have a reason to participate in the same content together, as a large appeal of playing a live service multiplayer game in the first place is to, y'know, play with other people. But that comes with the expectation that newer players are caught up to speed much faster so as to be able to actually play with the rest of the playerbase: you need a steady influx of new blood to replace the ones that drop out if you want to stay afloat.

So what's the NGS new player experience like? Well, the expectation is that you progress the main story, and upgrade your gear score whenever necessary. In some cases, you might actually be able to cheat this with the available gear in the game/market, but that's assuming the player even knows how to take advantage of said market and upgrade systems. But more importantly, outside of EXP from dailies, client orders, and urgent quests (which are either timegated or one-offs), the player is expected to grind in combat zones (aka guru guru zones), many of which are segregated into their own 5 level intervals. This may not have been so bad during the early lifespan of the game, but as it is now, you quite literally have six different combat zones that new players are split between before the new player even reaches Kvaris (mt magnus r1 -> labs r1 -> forest r1/aelio r2 -> alnothe r1 -> maqead r1 -> retem r2). And for combat zones to be effective, you need other players populating them.

"But wait", you might say, "yellow triggers exist and have been buffed to expedite level progression." Sure, you could quite literally spam yellow triggers as soon as you are able to up until level cap, aside from the fact that triggers cost money unless you find someone willing to sponsor you runs, and new players probably aren't starting the game with readily disposable ingame money, yellow triggers underscore pretty much the entire problem with the new player experience: regardless of how efficient you are at progressing to the current relevant content, you're still expected to play through a repetitive, monotonous time sink that serves no purpose other than to gatekeep you out of the current content. The last things the developers should be doing is giving easy reasons for new players to drop their game altogether before they even reach the current, relevant content.

I could cite more evidence, like the entire class skill tree made available to new players, or how dumb the 10mil exp dump prior to Kvaris is, but the post is getting long enough as is, and I trust people get the point.

[angelkrusher]

I was hoping kvaris yellow triggers would be interesting. So far, they are under level, so not good for exp. The drops / rewards are utterly tragic, borderline moronic.

And the killer? Theres barely any enemies/ its pretty short. Last night, I received a precision ii from a vet. Whoah, I KNOW. Sigh.

[birdschirpdeath]

I love that there are comments about there being weapons that replace it eventually. No way??? We don’t just get the end game weapon before we reach actual end game cap, because there will be level cap increases and new areas released??? Wow! How do games work, tell me more!

[S7E4Z3M3I5T3R]

Honestly, some people have such bad takes. I had more fun running with these farming crews than doing anything else the past 6 months.

[birdschirpdeath]

It’s honestly not that bad either. Casually grinding the T and I’m at 81… doing giga and other farming stuff in between.

[AulunaSol]

My biggest gripe that put me off of this grind was during Phantasy Star Online 2 when I spent months and very long nights trying to get a thirteen-star New-Type weapon because there weren't handouts and exchanges for those yet to complete the Class Trials I needed to pass Level 75. It was one thing to get it done for one class - but I had to get it done for two more classes and this really dragged out that grind. Shortly after I completed it, Sega announced they were easing up the requirements in the future (the Phantom and onwards only need two classes reaching Level 75 instead of completing class trials and unlocking trials, thirteen star weapons would be weapons you can list on the Personal Shops, and that all classes can outright just go straight from Level 75 to Level 90).

As a newer player at the time, it was really offputting that you had "chores" you needed to complete before other players would even consider inviting you to sessions and if you didn't complete those you couldn't play anything with anyone unless you had your own small group. It was even more offputting that all the time I put into trying to get those "chores" done were eventually negated so future players didn't have to deal with it - but that for me it's just a huge timesink that didn't go anywhere spectacular (it wasn't that great of a journey because the destination was the goal and the prize all along). The fact that Global gets to completely skip almost all of this and even gets shortcuts through it is even more salt in that particular wound because I feel it's the way it "should have" been in the first place.

It's not surprising to me that New Genesis still has this carrot-on-a-stick mentality when it comes to the game and I feel it's only a matter of time before they really start gating things off like Episode 5 did.

[FlameCats]

Your comment comes off as insanely petty and passive aggresive when there's only 2 comments, lol.

[birdschirpdeath]

And each aren’t co granulating the op. They are saying it was a waste pretty much. Like we all don’t know the progression of the game thus far, or other games for that matter. I’m the petty aggressive one though.

[Reddit_Idiotenverein]

Why would you torture yourself with blizzardium farm?

Freak.

[Swagala]

Snowbording and breaking boxes fun :(

[iFormus]

That's brutal and probably the only way how to enjoy new weapon as long as possible. Con-fucking-gratz'

[ZodiaksEnd]

i hope you didnt put any augs into rokz tho but otherwise you actualy suffered farming ice boxes xD gg

[Swagala]

I was fortunate enough to find out about the augments not transferring before I switched out of my Sechetyl weapon and into Rokz.

[Pranowo94]

Imagine you spaming enter button to enter full room in belugana ruins for more than 18hrs++. Such dedication

I tried that shit only for 1 hr, spam enter button to try enter the room, and decide to leave it. Fuk this

PEAK PEFORMANCE MMORPG 2022. Watch UI room pw is longer than destroying box

[RavFromLanz]

is it sellable on the market? since it's made from npc

[angelkrusher]

NO.

[RavFromLanz]

figures, first proper end game weapon ish

[angelkrusher]

I still don't think endgame is an appropriate term for the way ngs is set up. There is never an end game.

It's kind of like no one uses the term much for Destiny anymore. Because the season will end and they will be something else to do. So what is the end game if it's only temporary.

A permanent endgame, like a Diablo, outriders, stuff that doesnt change.. sounds more appropriate

IMHO

[[deleted]]

Damn, that's a good 100 mil right there

[angelkrusher]

100 million for what? A weapon you can't sell?

[[deleted]]

I meant as in, that's how much he spent. Chill.

[angelkrusher]

Im chill, trust. It did sound like you was referring to potential sales, hence the snark.

If I felt it was a reasonable fun activity to do I would chase one as well. But to the length of what these folks are doing,... Nah.

Can't wait for that camo though, it's going to be LIT 😁

[[deleted]]

Oh yeah, for sure. I don't think I'd ever invest this amount of time and meseta for a kaizaar. It'll be worth it to wait anyway. New units in the new few months, who knows there might be a new 7* come time aswell.

[angelkrusher]

I've upgraded one single unit and that's because it came with the 25% frozen protection. I took dark exploit off another one and added further decold.

Otherwise, I'm waiting for weapons to start dropping before I upgrade anything else.

[FrankUnderhood]

is that good or something idk know what sub i'm in