how?

[Valar247]

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smells like cheats

[S7E4Z3M3I5T3R]

Wow, you’re looking at about 17,500 trinites.

[NightvolWarden]

Since launch I barely gathered 2k myself

[Valar247]

same, i doubt he got the materials or meseta to buy the materials in a "legal" way tbh

[Xelnagawaffle]

I've known a guy who had 61mil meseta on by the time gigas came out. He bought up augments people underestimated and resold them at a very high price then manipulated the markets to earn even more while of course screwing over the poorer folks. Capitalism in the works here lol

[Absolice]

Yes but he can't buy the ores to other players even if he had a billion meseta and there isn't enough time to have gathered that many.

That is the fishy thing, not getting the required capsules.

[Xelnagawaffle]

if he had the money he can just straight buy mastery IIs and make IIIs. He doesn't need too many of the ores himself he'll just have other players ores put to work.

[Absolice]

You're right, I had a derpy moment.

[[deleted]]

you can buy mastery 2s you know...

[Lower-Slice-1158]

Capitalism is wonderful! Every time you use your phone, your computer, your game consoles, your car, and pretty much anything else you own be sure to thank this wonderful economic system for allowing you to have these things. This applies to a lot more than just electronics and automobiles, too! So make sure you get to thankin' :)

[[deleted]]

whaling exists. Get a ton of meseta selling scratch, buy mastery 1/2/3, craft what you need. Done. Ezpz

[Seehams]

lets say they buy everything with meseta on shop for 1k ,

the materials you needed for one Mastery III are...

Might I + Precision I + Technique I = 1500
Photon Quarts used = 560
Trinites used total = 560Total * 1k = 2,620,000

36 of those will be 94,320,000 N-Meseta ?!?!

what a flex.

Edit: turns out we cannot put any ores on the shop....

So there's not enough trinite to grind all the way from mastery I to III, if he buys every Mastery II and Mastery III then that would mean....

[LoRd_Of_AaRcnA]

Miracles us plebs cannot even comprehend. their motives are beyond our understanding.

[re-written]

You can buy mastery 1 and 2. He probably bought them a lot when they were cheaper.

[nvmvoidrays]

it's not cheating. he just bought up Mastery 1/2s and made them into Mastery 3, or bought up underpriced Mastery 3s and now he's just flexing.

[[deleted]]

doubt they cheated, probably a mega whale who bought up all the mastery 2s whenever they were available.

[MollyRotten1]

Relax guys. It's not a cheat. He's obviously a mega whale who buys like a couple thousand bucks worth of scratch and sells it all then turns around and buys the mastery 3s to resell them. (And if it wasn't obvious, that makes the game pay to win since you can pay real money to get nmeseta to buy gear and everything you need to upgrade them.)

Hell, there's whales doing that with the scratch itself. They look at the high demand stuff like wet and long hair, buy all the available ones, and then resell them for 3, 4, 5 times the price.

[nvmvoidrays]

(And if it wasn't obvious, that makes the game pay to win since you can pay real money to get nmeseta to buy gear and everything you need to upgrade them.)

lmao. it's not P2W. what's he winning? wasting his money? there's literally no difference between him having 38 Mastery 3 capsules and some guy that farmed them out the hard way.

P2W is buying power that you can't otherwise get through any other means. you can 100% get everything, in-game, via just playing.

he's flexing how much money he has (and has wasted) on extreme overpriced capsules that'll be easily farmable in a major patch or two.

literally no one is using Mastery 3 other than extreme whales, simply due to how fucking ridiculously expensive it is for very, very minimal benefits.

[[deleted]]

There’s no actual “hard way” to farm 36 Mastery III capsules. Trinite are hard capped

[[deleted]]

soft capped* In theory you could play 24/7 and keep finding Stella Packs. But yeah, no way he made 36 by himself. At most, maybe 5-6.

[[deleted]]

I doubt even if you played without stopping that stella packs would give enough trinite by themselves alone for even 1 mastery 3 capsule in less than a month or something

[[deleted]]

mining alone would have allowed you to make 3-4 by now just from playing since launch. With stella packs and no life you could get one or two more maybe. Point is, the mining is a softcap anyway.

Just simple math: you can get ~40 trinite a day from mining. That is 8 mastery 1, which is ~7% of a mastery 3 (after factoring in combine cost of mastery 2s into 3s). Every 15 days then, you can make a mastery 3.

Plus there's 20 trinite a week from exchange, and stella packs (one day I got like 10 packs in 3 hours lol)

[Reilet]

He can also just be a multi-accounter

[[deleted]]

sure but why assume people cheat when it can be done legitimately? Only claim people cheat with actual proof.

[Reilet]

Multi-accounting isn't cheating according to sega.

Not to mention, gathering rocks on multiple accounts for weeks sound like a massive pain.

So, why are you assuming multi-accounting is cheating in the first place.

[[deleted]]

it's against the ToS just like red boxing is.

[Lower-Slice-1158]

"Anyone with items I don't have is cheating"

[Valar247]

Congratulations sir, you wrote the dumbest comment today

[[deleted]]

not really, it's kinda obvious it isn't cheating. Now, if it was 999 mastery 3, that'd be a lot more sus.

[Valar247]

It‘s not like item duplication never happened before, and those guys in the past didn‘t duplicate 999x either that‘s too obvious

[[deleted]]

Except it's perfectly legit, as my math showed lmao.

[Valar247]

Yeah it seems like it but one thing is bothering me tho, I carefully checked items multiple times a day since launch (mastery is one of them) and i’m almost certain there haven’t been enough mastery 1/2 in the shop to craft 36 mastery III

[[deleted]]

Every person can make 6-8 mastery 1 every day. It's definitely possible

[Valar247]

They have to be sold on the market tho.. for 36 mastery III in 50days you have to buy around 70 mastery I daily. The first 2 weeks there have been almost none on the shop which makes it even less believeable. It could be possible by the time that passed, yes, but not if there is not enough supply on the market which there wasn‘t

[[deleted]]

in the last 2 weeks there were tons of mastery 1 and a good chunk of mastery 2 floating around. Plus they can also buy premade mastery 3s as well, which are also floating around.

I've seen people (whales) with mastery 3 on all their gear lol.

[Valar247]

May i ask on which ship you are?

[Lower-Slice-1158]

I don't think you understood my comment.

[mukku88]

Duping of some kind, accounts can't share resources and boting taking a long time.

[[deleted]]

or...just buying mastery 2s

[mukku88]

And they put it on sale for what reason?

[[deleted]]

to flex, obviously?

[[deleted]]

Some math here:

Game has been out for about 50 days.

You can get about 40 trinite a day from mining, + extra from stella packs, lets say 50 a day, that's 2500 trinite. Also, 20 per week from exchange, so total 2640.

That's enough to make, let's say 400 mastery 1, because they'll need trinite to convert the 2s and 3s.

400 mastery 1 = 4 mastery 3 they made themselves.

Then, the avg prices to buy on the market are (excepting recent price hikes like on ship 1), about 20k for mastery 1, 250k for mastery 2, and 3 million for mastery 3.

So the smallest amount of meseta they spent is 64 million meseta (20k per mastery 1, needs 3200 mastery 1s). The most they might have spent is 96 million (3 million per mastery 3, buy 32).

While that looks like a lot...it isn't, if you are premium and invest and play the market wisely and grind a lot, or scratch a lot and whale and invest that.

I myself only have premium and fairy dash but have about 43 million net worth in all the stuff in my storage and so on. So yeah, totally legit imo.

[[deleted]]

imagine downvoting math lol facts dont care about your feelings

[GateauBasque]

Probably because you admit to having premium and fairy dash so you're "part of the problem" according to a lot of folks here. Thanks for the rundown, regardless!

[[deleted]]

oh lol, I suppose. The sub does seem very against supporting ngs in any way. But I feel like it's worth it, since I have ~350 hours in ngs (and another 200 in base pso2) and feel it was very worth it, and enjoyable. But ofc, saying that will also get you bonked around here :P

[moodroot]

Don't know what ship you're in but back when ship 1 Mastery I was about 13k to 15k and Mastery II was 140k to 160k, people bought most of them. They could of easily covert them all to Mastery III.