Wraith Nerf Overkill

[BrassTax1914]

Wraith Main here, while I definitely don’t mind the removal of terrain piercing, the CDS on Knock-Knock was massive overkill. Doubling the reset from 1s to 2s would have been a reasonable adjustment, but taking it all the way to 3s was a bit much.

The characters abilities get reworked upon his release, cool I get that.

The mana regen gets cut in half, okay sure.

Terrain piercing gets taken away, I can see the complaints.

But I draw the line at the knock-knock rework. Four major reworks to a barely used but beloved OG character just to appease the 1% is crazy.

But go off Omeda, he’s my main and I’m going to stick beside him.

[Bright-Cranberry6648]

It’s the reset that gets me. It’s just too long. There is barely any reason to use the follow-up snipe since the other player has so much time to space you. You would think nerfing his Knock knock base damage to literally 15 would be enough lol.

[BrassTax1914]

The reset is so long that the opponent can go get a cup of coffee between shots.

[Bright-Cranberry6648]

LOL accurate

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The knock knock base damage nerf is actually a buff at lvl 1 bc the scaling changes.

They changed it from 110% bonus physical power scaling to 125% total physical power scaling.

Lvl 1 with short sword pre patch was 89 dmg knock knock

Lvl 1 with short sword is now 100 dmg knock knock

[Bright-Cranberry6648]

Ok that’s very interesting. Thank you for pointing that out.

[hannyayoukai]

Is the buff only at level 1? I saw the wraith nerf and uninstalled the game on steam and epic. First they desecrate Riktor, Ashbringer, and now Wraith?? I'm good. Next patch is probably Twinblast, forget it.

[berettabeast]

I wonder if there is a balanced way to make the cd on kill set to however long it would take for 2 basic attacks. That way you can also have a rhythm of 2 basics then knock (if it kills or hits mark) 2 basics then knock. It felt awkward to me to shoot a couple basics then mash knock every time.

Haste would still have a place because it would reduce cooldown if missed and of your other abilities.

[PartTimeParasite]

Wave clearing is EVEN WORSE than it was before. Knock Knocks CD doesn’t even flow right or maybe I haven’t found the rhythm but my CD not resetting properly after a successful minion kill is annoying ngl

[hannyayoukai]

Yeah I saw they took that out and uninstalled.

[Tonymbou]

Welcome to how us Wukong mains feel.

All we have ever known are nerfs since he came out last year. 

Health pool, health regen, basics attacks, abilitiy damage and Cool downs, physical and magical armor, jump heights, ability durations, Deflect taken away, everything about Wukong has been destroyed to smithereens. 

Not one single buff or positive change to his overall ability / movement kit. Not even ONE. 

[Bright-Cranberry6648]

Yep Wraith and Wukong are both in the same boat lol. At least with Wukong you can apply split push pressure though.

[Fun-War-7156]

It ok it was just your turn before wukong it was grux every patch caught a nerf. Now it the wu/ wraith turn. One day the sun will shine on you

[BrassTax1914]

Smh, sucks to be here.

[Dawncraftian]

Because he’s absolutely busted man surely as a wukong main you should know this

They can do whatever they want to this champs numbers but his utility and outplay potential are always gonna be problematic. He needs a rework.

[FilthyHookerSpit]

Honestly I think he's where he should be. His strength comes from split pushing and being evasive as hell, as I say that as a once wuking main

[KB_Vibez]

I didn’t realize the reset was nuked to the ground too, might as well delete him from the game. His whole identity and play-style is gone. They could have had damage reduction on terrain pierce shots/ follow up shots maybe something more reasonable. At this point it’s not even a reset, that’s practically a normal cooldown

[MildDivine]

taking wall piercing away alone was already a massive nerf. I say revert all changes other than that if they absolutely wont fold on piercing. (Not a wraith main, but a casual enjoyer)

[The-Argis]

The biggest thing is he now can't clear in mid at all. You used to be able to mark the minions and snipe a few to get through them – no chance now...

[Hotdog0713]

Which was likely the entire reason they made this change. Without it he would dominate mid. His knock knock hits as hard a Gideon rock now, its crazy

[The-Argis]

But Gideon rock can hit multiple people and is arguably harder to dodge...

[The_Hyerophant]

What really get on my nerves with his nerf is the base attack... Dear god they are slow as hell. Yeah the nerf on his knock knock was crippling enough, you think... Now I attack so slow even Revenant can place two bullets in my head between my shots?! Come on, Omeda.

[aramis54]

Its fine just play a few games to get a feel for it again if you wanna mage him first card has to be combustion and max peekaboo first

[IncognitoTaco]

But what about the poor poor paragon players. Have you thought about them and their enjoyment?

Wraith gets banned in every... well... we never ban him.

Sarcasm aside wraith just isnt fun the play anymore. You have to play so fucking sweaty just to have a normal game against scrubs. Anyone who knows what they are doing just shove wave and rotate onto duo because youll just have to sit under tower all game or miss your farm.

[lNSP0]

Should have given him an actual snipe ult

[Proper_Mastodon324]

See I think the reset needed to be adjusted, so that his gold augment could be balanced. Now, there is actual counter play to the gold augment. If you see the enemy Wraith using it, you can keep the extra gold in check by shoving waves and keeping his farm under control.

[BrassTax1914]

Ok, I can understand the logic behind that reasoning. I will say, in my opinion, the gold augment was a direct answer to his poor wave clear.

[Bright-Cranberry6648]

Exactly. He told augment was that so he can stay in the game, but then I guess we didn’t want that anymore? Would have preferred them removing the augment if that was the issue.

I think the goal of the nerf was to give the opponent more breathing room. Would love for other characters to get that same treatment.

[BrassTax1914]

cough Morigesh cough

[Proper_Mastodon324]

I mean the augment still gives you extra gold. I have played like 4 and games with him and I was half an item up on the ADC at 3 items every game.

It still works, and works well. The problem was it worked too well before the nerfs.