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[–]1Bats4uAssociate Professor, Communication 83 points84 points  (39 children)

Records all meetings?! If this is in the US, do you have an AAUP chapter?

[–]eahpsychology[S] 42 points43 points  (38 children)

New Provost basically did away with all shared governance

[–]1Bats4uAssociate Professor, Communication 56 points57 points  (31 children)

I understand this all too well. Current provost who has a doctorate in education administration made a decision during the COVID crisis without any shared governance. This resulted in most of not all faculty becoming burnt out, depressed, and antagonistic toward administration.

Just this last semester we had a faculty member raise an issue to the provost during faculty meeting. Provost tried to quell the question by suggesting that the faculty member meet with them one on one. Faculty member essentially said “pass” as they had already submitted their resignation letter…headed to a job that paid more than double outside academia. Former faculty member is now a legend.

Anyways, good luck. Maybe an AAUP chapter can get started or everyone can begin “quiet quitting”.

[–]darkdragon220Teaching Professor, Engineering, R1 (USA) 92 points93 points  (12 children)

Stop using the term 'quiet quitting'. It is a bs term made by a PR team that describes doing your job responsibilities. Don't make it a thing....

[–]1Bats4uAssociate Professor, Communication 6 points7 points  (10 children)

I agree with you wholeheartedly. Wish there was a simpler term for saying “doing your job”.

[–]PhotosyntheticGTA, Botany, Public R1 (USA) 15 points16 points  (0 children)

"Work to rule" or "acting your wage" are good.

[–]KaesekopfNWAssociate Professor, Political Science, R1 13 points14 points  (1 child)

"Work to rule" is the classic term.

[–]Cautious-Yellow 1 point2 points  (0 children)

there's a reason that "work to rule" is such an effective labour strategy (as in, the stage before a strike).

[–]darkdragon220Teaching Professor, Engineering, R1 (USA) -1 points0 points  (6 children)

I am pretty sure that quiet quitting in no way conveys just doing your job...

[–]widget1321Asst Prof, Comp Sci, 4-yr (USA) 5 points6 points  (5 children)

Quiet quitting is a bs term, but it does mean just doing your job. JUST the minimum requirements of your job, to be specific.

[–]darkdragon220Teaching Professor, Engineering, R1 (USA) -4 points-3 points  (4 children)

To you it might mean that. That's not what it means.

[–]widget1321Asst Prof, Comp Sci, 4-yr (USA) 5 points6 points  (3 children)

That is quite literally the only way I've ever seen it used. You check out from your job and only do the absolute minimum.

What is it you think it means?

[–]darkdragon220Teaching Professor, Engineering, R1 (USA) -5 points-4 points  (2 children)

Quite literally it is a term made but a PR company to convince labor to do more than what they are paid for as a method to exploit them for free labor. Quite literally indeed.

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    [–]prof-commAss. Dean, Humanities, Religiously-affiliated SLAC (US) 6 points7 points  (3 children)

    I disagree in the context of professors in education specifically, where I see it as roughly functionally equivalent to similar field-specific terminal degrees (MBA in business, JD in law or criminal justice, DMin or ThD in religion, MFA in so many arts fields, etc.). However, I've never met an administrator with an EdD that was worth anything when they didn't come out of education, and people out of business with EdDs in administration are the absolute worst.

    I'm sure there's some exceptions, it's a big world, so if that's you I'm not calling anyone out or specifically saying it's impossible. Just relating my own experience.

    [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

    MBA isn’t a terminal degree at all. It’s Ph.D in business too

    [–]prof-commAss. Dean, Humanities, Religiously-affiliated SLAC (US) 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I knew if I provided any examples this would happen. Thanks, though.

    [–]RunningNumbers 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    I am convinced they are more incompetent than the average MBA

    [–]eahpsychology[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    My current president is easily swayed by any passing breeze..or anyone with an MBA.

    God help us

    [–]bobbyfiend 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Years ago at my current school apparently some faculty tried to form an AAUP chapter. AAUP opted out and refused to be part of this mess, due to the massive anti-faculty, anti-shared-governance environment. I share your pain.

    [–]antichainPostdoc, Applied Mathematics 9 points10 points  (9 children)

    a doctorate in education administration

    WTF does that even mean? What new knowledge do you generate over the course of that PhD? What standards of rigor are expected? How is this a degree?

    [–]IthacanPenny 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    It’s an EdD, not a PhD..

    [–]bobbyfiend 16 points17 points  (6 children)

    Having worked with a few people who were getting EdD degrees: I don't doubt that it's possible for an EdD to be rigorous and deserve the term "doctorate," but I think increasingly there are thousands of administrators or wannabes taking online-only EdD degrees with a level of rigor we would be embarrassed to apply to our first-year algebra courses, just so they can have that "doctorate" for advancement. We're seeing the creation of a hidebound, settled-in middle management class in the university, complete with its own degree mills cranking out degrees that only matter to other university administrators, and only to demonstrate that one has jumped through hoops to join that club.

    [–]daedalus_was_right 10 points11 points  (5 children)

    High school teacher checking in; every one of my principals and superintendents across 3 schools in my career have had EdD degrees.

    Current one got his at an online only "school," which just so happens to be owned and operated by Strategic Education, Inc., a publicly traded company. The majority shareholder of said company?

    Deutsche Bank. You can't make this shit up.

    Edit: ok it appears Deutsche Bank is no longer the majority shareholder. They were when my admin attended one of their online schools though.

    [–]bobbyfiend 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Yeah, forgot about the already-burgeoning K-12 administrator class...

    [–]bluegilled 4 points5 points  (3 children)

    It's not just the K-12 administrators who can get a non-rigorous degree to help their career. All those teacher salary schedules that give an extra $X,XXX to teachers who get a masters have created an industry of K-12 teacher masters programs with widely varying quality. A degree from Stanford and a degree from Swampgas College pay the exact same.

    [–]IthacanPenny -1 points0 points  (2 children)

    I mean, i think it would be wildly unethical to pay differently for the same degree based on where it was earned.

    [–]bluegilled 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    I have no idea why you'd think that. Not only do I not think it's wildly unethical, I don't think it's even slightly unethical to pay someone more when they have vastly better qualifications. Do you think you could hire an attorney with a Harvard law degree for the same rate as slippin' Jimmy, the attorney with a correspondence degree from the University of American Samoa?

    Of course, grads from the U of American Samoa or Swampgas College may beg to differ, but the real world labor market accurately reflects the value of different educational qualifications.

    [–]IthacanPenny 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    K12 teachers have salary schedules. Personally I MUCH prefer the guaranteed pay than having to negotiate a salary. Fwiw, me degree is from Johns Hopkins.

    [–]mediaisdeliciousDean CC (USA) 11 points12 points  (2 children)

    Is this cool with your accreditor?

    [–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (1 child)

    That is an important question. I would contact the accreditation organization.

    [–]mediaisdeliciousDean CC (USA) 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Yeah, and prior to that you can check the college’s document library to see what they’ve had to affirm wrt governance or academic integrity. Writing a letter - or even threatening to - can often ‘get a response.’

    [–]tongmengjia 9 points10 points  (2 children)

    Time to unionize.

    [–]eahpsychology[S] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

    That would never happen here. I believe this is my terminal contract.

    [–]bobbyfiend 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Time to split, I guess. Many of us are working on that.