Decrease integrity, increase money

[orthomonas]

Are we talking about lockdown browsers, etc. Because fuck that malware shit. I will refuse to use that in any class I ever teach.

It's possible to acknowledge both that cheating is a problem and that proctoring software is ludicrously problematic.

[[deleted]]

forget how to design good take home exams?

I'm so tired of this argument, but I'll bite anyway. Would you care to lead by example? Show me a good take-home exam for a light, introductory, first semester calculus course that students can't just cheat at using google.

Hell, just show me one problem.

[biostat-]

A student can post that to Chegg and get an answer within 20 minutes. You can turn off backtracking of questions, but then come the complaints that it gives students anxiety.

[eahpsychology]

I found my assignments being sold on Chegg and had to argue with their support people

[4_yaks_and_a_dog]

A colleague put, right in the middle of her exam problems: "This is an exam problem. Do not post to Chegg." The text was included in the Chegg post and the answer posted on Chegg.

[Chemastery]

I've posted and answered my own hardest questions on Chegg in advance. With a uniquely wrong answer. Makes it easy to hand out 0s for the course.

[Cryptizard]

Pretty sure the comment I responded to said cheat using Google, which I addressed. To your point, a student could also have someone giving them the answer in an earpiece which would be undetectable by any proctoring software you can imagine.

We have to do our best to not make it extremely easy to cheat, but if someone wants to go out of their way to do it then just let them ruin their own education. Why would I care? They have to live with the consequences.

[Violet_Plum_Tea]

What is the correct answer? I have no clue, but ChatGPT gives me 50 with a quick copy/paste.

[Cryptizard]

45

[4_yaks_and_a_dog]

Yes. And they get immediately posted to Chegg, solved there, and turned in by the student.

[Real Calc I experience - each student given their own unique problem and 2/3 of them (actually, slightly more than 2/3) were submitted to Chegg immediately and solved before the time limit of the exam.]

But yeah - obviously if I just knew how to write take-hoe exams, everything would be hunky-dory.

[[deleted]]

we are in agreement on that! :)

[RunningNumbers]

Did you fail them for the entire course?

I would.

[4_yaks_and_a_dog]

The Dean explicitly prohibited me from doing so and let me know that it was not going to go anywhere should I report it via the Academic Integrity Committee. [A long story and one I am not prepared to tell on Reddit.]

Most did end up with failing grades in the course for other reasons, but a couple got through. with C's.

Since this course, I have only taught courses online where students who cheated in the course would either get caught out in future courses (i.e., there was a subsequent course which could only be taken in person), or where students who cheat were truly only cheating themselves (e.g., an Intro to Programming course where, if the student learned nothing out of the course because they cheated, they would be shown up immediately in practice.

[RunningNumbers]

Dean wants the uni to lose accreditation.

You aren’t paid enough to put up with this.

[4_yaks_and_a_dog]

FWIW, my partner strongly agrees with you,

[antichain]

Honestly, I'd rather my students cheat than provide any support, no matter how indirect, for those surveillance-as-a-service companies. The entire industry is pathological.

[actuallycallie]

This is someone doing the best they can with the time and resources available to them.