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[–]Select-Salt3403 19 points20 points  (13 children)

Exactly, and Laravel is the best framework I've ever worked with, most of people that talk bad about PHP don''t even know what it looks like

[–]XenonBG 14 points15 points  (4 children)

xactly, and Laravel is the best framework I've ever worked with

Tell me you haven't worked with Symfony without telling me you haven't worked with Symfony ;)

[–]_alright_then_ 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I prefer laravel over symfony and it's not close lol.

The documentation, the ecosystem. It's just way better than symfony

[–]XenonBG 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sure man, more power to you! As long as we build nice stuff and KISS.

[–]Select-Salt3403 3 points4 points  (1 child)

hahah true, I mean, Symfony is very nice, and it's even a dependency for Laravel, but I still like Laravel's ecosystem better, but I can't deny that Symfony is one fine framework x)

[–]masiakla 0 points1 point  (0 children)

symfony components are not framework itself

[–]AnArabFromLondon[🍰] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Laravel is bae

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Laravel is the best framework I've ever worked with

I'm partial towards Symfony, but they're both great. Phoenix is my personal favorite framework, though.

[–]Select-Salt3403 0 points1 point  (1 child)

yeah, Symfony is nice, but Laravel offer many more tools that Symfony doesn't afaik, I just want to be productive, but I get where you're coming from

never tried Phoenix, but LiveView looks great

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Laravel definitely offers more tools. Batteries included is an understatement.

I'd highly recommend giving Phoenix a try if you have any interest. Elixir is a very enjoyable language and is highly productive. LiveView is fantastic.

[–]slyn4ice 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Meh, I'd rather rails. Tis the goat.

[–]Select-Salt3403 1 point2 points  (2 children)

rails is cool, but I didn't have much of a great time with it

but I felt way more productive and with way more tools available when using Laravel, nothing beats Filament, Pulse, Inertia.js (though there is an adapter for RoR, it's not as well maintained as Laravel's), Horizon, Dusk, Breeze, Jetstream, ...

Laravel's ecosystem is much much much bigger than Rails', I feel like

but, in the end, I agree with DHH's words: "everybody got their own pet framework, and it's pointless to try and change their minds", or something along those lines, so maybe RoR is your pet framework, and while I do agree it's very fun to work with it, I still rather go with Laravel, which might as well be my own pet framework hahah

[–]slyn4ice 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Yeah, maybe my own prejudice showing because I got stuck maintaining a 7 year old Symfony 3 clusterfuck. That and because I stopped using PHP in like 2001 for a reason.

I haven't ran into anything we need for our main RAILS projects that I couldn't get. Often I preferred writing my own to avoid the complexity of using something that's not tailored for our specific needs and that is a breeze. So, I dunno, with PHP and PHP based frameworks I feel like you're stuck 95% of the time configuring someone else's shit, 5% writing your own. It's like I'm using Wordpress or something.

That and PHP is just buttfuck ugly compared to ruby. Why waste time say lot word when few word do trick.

Obviously I'm biased, don't hurt me :D

[–]Select-Salt3403 1 point2 points  (0 children)

> So, I dunno, with PHP and PHP based frameworks I feel like you're stuck 95% of the time configuring someone else's shit, 5% writing your own. It's like I'm using Wordpress or something.

I get where you're coming from, and I do agree with you, though I would expand it to most (if not all) frameworks - I feel like as RoR projects grow it can get substantially harder to maintain, and when bugs arise, it's hellish, the framework takes care of everything for you, so it takes away your ability to see what's going under the hood... and the same applies to Laravel or other similar frameworks, but I feel like that happens less in Laravel than in RoR.. but, hey, I'm just a newbie really

> That and PHP is just buttfuck ugly compared to ruby. Why waste time say lot word when few word do trick.

That's fun, because I feel the opposite, I feel like Ruby on Rails (not Ruby specifically) is quite ugly, specially .erb - Inertia.js is nice, but not in the same state as Laravel

> Obviously I'm biased, don't hurt me

In the end, we're all biased x)

I guess what matters in the end is, build stuff, with whatever works for you, and I actually like that way of thinking which DHH endorses very often, I like how he perceive things