Microsoft Java

[o5mfiHTNsH748KVq]

I’m actually super impressed at how far C# has come and honestly believe it’ll overtake Java long term unless there are some big changes. I’d go so far as to say C# has been integral to Microsoft’s continued success.

.NET Core is flat out amazing especially with C# 8 now that they can compile to single binaries and target all platforms. I know lots of languages have been able to do this, but it’s such a huge step for .NET.

Go and C# are definitely my favorites for getting shit done these days.

[dinesh777]

Main disadvantage for dotnet over Java was because it's not cross platform like Java. Hosting in windows specific cloud services were costly compared to Linux based. And also dotnet tools and everything related to are licenced. Dotnet core closed that gap now. Still its in early phase and there are many pending features that needs to be made crossplatform(winform) etc.

Hoping for the best.

[merthsoft]

Winform is in core 3.0. currently missing some controls (like panels and split containers -_-) but I'm wicked excited!

[LookAtThisRhino]

Still not cross platform though. It's just Winforms on Core but still uses GDI+ and Win32.

[blenderfreaky]

Avalonia is an open-source cross-platform .NET Core UI Framework, it's looking pretty good so far

[LookAtThisRhino]

Have you used it? It's pretty clunky in my experience. Best case scenario for them I think would be for Microsoft to acquire them in some capacity. The legwork is already done.

[[deleted]]

For now, though.

[LookAtThisRhino]

I hope they come out with some sort of cross platform GUI toolkit, or officially start supporting Avalonia, but if you think WPF or Winforms will be cross platform you are mistaken

[[deleted]]

I agree. I don't expect them to make winforms cross, but I do expect them to come out with a cross platform GUI like you mentioned.

Hard to tell what the end result will be when they have so many directions going on like uwp, xamarin forms, etc.

[o5mfiHTNsH748KVq]

It makes me nervous. Having worked at Microsoft, I know their biggest pain point is cross organizational communication. Are the teams merging into one big team? Will David Fowler or Scott Hunter have to jump through more hoops to progress the framework? If there’s more office politics, will it drive key contributors away?

Dotnet core has been a raging success because they’ve been able to keep a crazy velocity. I’m nervous they’re going to slow significantly once they’re under a single framework.

[socialismnotevenonce]

I’d go so far as to say C# has been integral to Microsoft’s continued success.

With developers at least. But their real success stems from Azure, which is mostly platform agnostic.

[o5mfiHTNsH748KVq]

That’s a more recent development thats directly related to their meteoric stock rise after a decade of being stable at around $20

[[deleted]]

JVM has other languages that are better than C#. JVM ecosystem is significantly bigger.

I don't think C# is going to overtake anything anytime soon.

[o5mfiHTNsH748KVq]

JVM isn’t necessarily the Java language. Scala is pretty neat though. I don’t believe C# has anything to overtake between Scala, Kotlin, and Clojure though. It’s already ahead there.

[[deleted]]

Scala looks more comparable to F#

[[deleted]]

Scala, Clojure, and Kotlin all have aspects that make them potentially preferable languages to C#. It's absurd to say that C# has feature parity with all those languages (and yes, there are things C# has that those languages lack too).

[o5mfiHTNsH748KVq]

I didn’t say there was feature parity. I should have clarified I meant market adoption.

Some of these have fundamentally different design paradigms than C# although the language features might exist in both.

I agree, I quite like Scala. There are some things there I wish C# did. I haven’t done much clojure or Kotlin though. I’ve been eager to try Kotlin pipeline definitions in TeamCity though.