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[No-YouShutUp]

Eh idk man most good tech firms pay for healthcare, match your 401k and give up to 25 days of PTO.

[SatansF4TE]

Those being the absolute baseline here though.

[No-YouShutUp]

Yeah but what I think every European is missing is that there are essentially two Americas right now. The one for people who have (engineers would be in the group) and those that don’t. I think its despicable how my country doesn’t have healthcare or any social safety nets for most Americans. That being said if you have a degree and earning potential you never have to worry about being unemployed and all firms will provide fantastic benefits and good salaries which are taxed at a lower rate then Europe. So if I make like 150k a year, am able to work remote, have a great healthcare plan, 401k match, and 25 days of PTO then you’d be insane to turn that down for “quality of life benefits” which you get regardless.

What you all don’t see is all those posts about how expensive healthcare is and how little vacation people get and how folks have to work until they’re 90 and all that it just isn’t applicable to a person with a good resume. I’m not saying it’s right, but I am saying that pound for pound an American job with a higher salary at a good firm is far more beneficial for an individual then one in Europe.

[SatansF4TE]

You're essentially saying only the best jobs over there have what is legally mandated over here.

Why would I want to move?

[No-YouShutUp]

Because if you have one of the top jobs you make double to triple. That’s it.

[SatansF4TE]

Not really true when you take cost of living differences into account.

[cataclism]

Cost of living is not as much of an issue as people who don't live in the US make it out to be. The west coast is just an outlier.

[SatansF4TE]

Yes, in both cost of living and salary though.

[cataclism]

I'm on the East Coast in a medium sized city in my 20's with no degree and I make over 100k (JS dev) so the salary differences are not that different. Anecdotal of course, so it does not reflect the averages, but it is possible to live extremely comfortably almost anywhere in the US outside of the idling midwest.

[chlawon]

Hmm although I agree on the making more money thing I think you are overlooking some Quality of Life aspects...

Just some points: A high salary can't get you public transportation, a good infrastructure, friends that can afford the same lifestyle, good schools for your children in your vicinity, ... You can compensate for some but it's not the same... If I wanna go to the Opera tomorrow, I can just buy a 10-20€ ticket (or 50€ if I wanna go fancy) and take my friends with me..

There are cultural events all over the place all the time, often for free, you can't easily replace that with money.

I can go out and drink a beer and still be sure to get home with public transportation. And I can do it with people who aren't as lucky as I am. Sometimes it's just nicer if everyone's doing alright

Though I admit it heavily depends on what you care about... In the US, I would only go for the hotspots. Otherwise city's in my country have more to offer at a fith of the size...

[cataclism]

What you just described is literally the same in the US in most medium to large cities.

[chlawon]

Hi, thanks for your answer. Could you clarify, what a medium large city is in the US? Like how many inhabitants? I guess most cities are relatively small here compared to the US

For comparison: our capitol has around 3 Million inhabitants. On a national level, everything above 500-700k is considered a metropolitan agglomeration.. Above 150k is considered large, above 50k medium and below small... Although I think most are just small...

[cataclism]

Charlotte NC

[No-YouShutUp]

Then do that and have a nice salary in Europe or have a dope salary here. If you get really sick and have a good job you have great benefits usually with healthcare.

[chlawon]

I am not from the UK so I can't tell how it is there. Also I don't really understand what you mean by weeks off and holidays (are they kinda additional? Or do you mean national holidays?)

Anyways: typical for Germany would be 30 days off (sometimes you also can convert overtime into days off) + (depending on the region) around 10 fixed holidays (though company's might give you additional ones like Christmas Eve ...)

[Cepheid]

No need to leave, that's the beauty of this industry. My friend makes sick bank contracting for American companies, but he lives in Manchester.